Adamantium Vs. Super Strength

Originally posted by Stoic
I hope not. If Marvel starts letting people fold adamantium like card board, it would lose it's mystique.

This is exactly why the primary/secondary adamantium distinction exists. Too many examples of people breaking adamantium with their bare hands were running around, so any showings where it was broken with anything less than molecular manipulation or a plot device got retconned.

at 7 inches thick, it should be impossible for anyone on the list to do any damage to it with pure strength alone, per marvel current rules on the stuff.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
This is exactly why the primary/secondary adamantium distinction exists. Too many examples of people breaking adamantium with their bare hands were running around, so any showings where it was broken with anything less than molecular manipulation or a plot device got retconned.

at 7 inches thick, it should be impossible for anyone on the list to do any damage to it with pure strength alone, per marvel current rules on the stuff.

This "secondary-adamantium-replaces-all-appearances-of-adamantium-prior-to-2000" myth is idiotic.

The only characters capable of breaking through primary adamantium with pure, brute force are Juggernaut and Squirrel Girl.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Like who?

This "secondary-adamantium-replaces-all-appearances-of-adamantium-prior-to-2000" myth is idiotic.

It not a myth. There was an article on it years ago. I believe the interview can be found in the back of one of thoses guide books perhaps the x-men one, but not certain. Some one posted a link of the interview a few years back, but I havent been able to locate it. Also it only replaced the times it was dented and broken.

He-Man is the only one i can really think of because his powers make it so his strength will automatically rise to whatever it needs to be....so he would magically be granted the strength that would be needed to break out.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
IF, Hulk ect. It was broken a number of times, which is why seconday adamatium was created.

It not a myth. There was an article on it years ago. I believe the interview can be found in the back of one of thoses guide books perhaps the x-men one, but not certain. Some one posted a link of the interview a few years back, but I havent been able to locate it. Also it only replaced the times it was dented and broken.

Never seen it. Likely doesn't exist. And still not on-panel. How convenient.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When did Iron Fist do it? And "etc." =/= "many examples . . . running around."

Never seen it. Likely doesn't exist. And still not on-panel. How convenient.

Believe what you wish. I have no reason to lie about it. It was stated in an interview. I can't remember were it was posted on the forum's, I been on this site for like 7 years, I can't remember every thread something was posted in. Might even been also talked about in Wolverine the best there is guide, I take a look later to duble check.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Back in the eighties maybe early 90's. It in the iron fist respect thread actaully. There are quite a few examples, Hulk done so a few times, Thor done it, IF among others if not mistaken.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Believe what you wish. I have no reason to lie about it. It was stated in an interview. I can't remember were it was posted on the forum's, I been on this site for like 7 years, I can't remember every thread something was posted in. Might even been also talked about in Wolverine the best there is guide, I take a look later to duble check.

Yea, I'm pretty sure Hulk and Thor are the only people who have damaged Adamantium in 616.

During the late 70's and early 80's, Blaastar destroyed an Adamantium wall, Hulk bent Adamantium into a ball, and Thor might have destroyed an Adamantium space station computer but it's all been retconned to being made out of Adamantium alloy.

The scene where Thor dents the cylinder and Hulk dents Ultron are the only scenes that remain. Although some argue Ultron wasn't made out of true Adamantium.

I've never heard of Iron Fist doing it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Been through it. Searched through it. Nothing. Hulk has bent it in. Thor has dented it. Two people =/= "quite a few examples." Imaginary interview means sh1t. I don't have any reason to think you're lying. I know you believe it. I also know that I've never seen anything ever on this. Just a lot of posters repeating what other posters said what other posters said. It's a stupid myth. And sadly, so far... wholly unsupported.

Hulk broken adamatium statue as well if not mistaken. I will find this IF incident I know I it exisists. I thought it was in the respect thread, but if you looked I guess I was wrong. Some one posted the scan not that long ago. I should be able to get it in a few days

I will keep looking for the interview on reconnt of adamatium.

^ He threw the statue at Thor. That's it. And again, Hulk and Thor =/= "many examples of people." I'm going to guess that you're thinkiing about Iron Fist overloading Black Panther's Vibranium suit.

Search all you want. Let me know when this interview becomes more than imaginary. Then you can search for something on-panel.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
During the late 70's and early 80's, Blaastar destroyed an Adamantium wall, Hulk bent Adamantium into a ball, and Thor might have destroyed an Adamantium space station computer but it's all been retconned to being made out of Adamantium alloy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The scene where Thor dents the cylinder and Hulk dents Ultron are the only scenes that remain. Although some argue Ultron wasn't made out of true Adamantium.

I've never heard of Iron Fist doing it.

Neither can I.

Other than fixing the whole denting adamantium thing, I think the secondary adamantium and alloys etc. thing was done because some of those comics made it seem like you could buy molten adamantium and various molds for $7.50 at Home Depot.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ He threw the statue at Thor. That's it. And again, Hulk and Thor =/= "many examples of people." I'm going to guess that you're thinkiing about Iron Fist overloading Black Panther's Vibranium suit.

Search all you want. Let me know when this interview becomes more than imaginary. Then you can search for something on-panel. It was always adamantium alloy. It says it in the comic itself. There was never a retcon. Projecting a storyline 20 years later where some characters discover some of the Ultron models they're fighting in that same storyline aren't actually adamantium... doesn't mean that every random Ultron in the past wasn't made out of adamantium. Not your argument, I know. Dumb, nonetheless.

will do.

yes but does ultron being made out of adamatium automatically make it primary?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It was always adamantium alloy. It says it in the comic itself. There was never a retcon.

Really? I specifically remember the scene where he destroys the facility being referred to only as Adamantium. And then when Hulk wraps him up in the ball, it's called Adamantium as well. Maybe somewhere in between I'm forgetting a scene.

Going off of my memory that was Adamantium and then in a later book -it might be a Thor issue actually- it was referred to as Adamantium alloy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Projecting a storyline 20 years later where some characters discover some of the Ultron models aren't actually adamantium doesn't mean that every random Ultron in the past wasn't made out of adamantium. Not your argument, I know. Dumb, nonetheless.

Neither can I.

That's not the argument I'm referring to. I've seen people argue that since that Ultron was created by Klaw -who had a portion of Beyonder's power- it might not have been the real deal Adamantium.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Other than fixing the whole denting adamantium thing, I think the secondary adamantium and alloys etc. thing was done because some of those comics made it seem like you could buy molten adamantium and various molds for $7.50 at Home Depot.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really? I specifically remember the scene where he destroys the facility being referred to only as Adamantium. And then when Hulk wraps him up in the ball, it's called Adamantium as well. Maybe somewhere in between I'm forgetting a scene.

Going off of my memory that was Adamantium and then in a later book -it might be a Thor issue actually- it was referred to as Adamantium alloy.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's not the argument I'm referring to. I've seen people argue that since that Ultron was created by Klaw -who had a portion of Beyonder's power- it might not have been the real deal Adamantium.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I was talking about the time they fought the statues. No I am not Panther suit isent anything special anyways. I am think of a much older comic, I will get the scans in few days if not sooner.

will do.

Find on-panel proof? Doubt it.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan

yes but does ultron being made out of adamatium automatically make it primary?

^ Think about which is dumber.

Double checked, and yea, that's the same issue. I guess that's what I get for focusing on feats.

Hey, that's the argument I've heard.

Shitty to cover for shittier. I mean come on. It's a rare, secret, prohibitively expensive metallic alloy and suddenly every mad scientist, villain in tights, and amateur sculptor are using it as a medium for their huge sculptures and plating for their pots and pans robots?

It's almost as bad as half of marvel's geniuses taking up a bit of light cloning as a hobby.

^ Nothing of what you said substantiates that when a comic actually states something is made of adamantium...

... it isn't actually adamantium because it's just a weaker version.

Taking a simple statement in a comic and pretending that the entire audience is expected to have read an, heretofore, imaginary interview to understand what's actually being stated is idiocy.

that's another reason for the creation of secondary--a cheaper knock off

also, does anyone have the issue where alicia masters creates the statue? hulk's fingers cracked the base of the statue but i theorize it was made of concrete or something