Team Wildstorm Vs Weapon X

Originally posted by StyleTime
As much as I'd like to believe Wildstorm is superior, I'm not seeing it.

Skill is roughly equal. I'd put Wolverine and Nemesis somewhere in the same boat. They are probably the most skilled here. Power? It depends on what we mean. You could argue that Sabertooth or Agent Orange are the most physically imposing. Versatility is still a hard call. Backlash is unique, but he doesn't offer nearly as much with CIS on. Calebs ranged options can be matched by Zero.

How did you see it?

Skill: I don't see how you can put them at equal. The Healing brigade tends to tank blows more than evade them because of their HFs. Characters like Nemesis don't have that luxury, they can't be lazy in their fighting style. If not for his adamantium skeleton and Healing factor Wolverine would lose to a number of Martial artists.

Power: Well Sabes is a big asset to team X here considering he is very formidable strength and power-wise though it's never been really specified exactly how strong he is, Class 4 ranges anywhere from 4-25 tons I believe. Most of the WS characters are categorized with at least superhuman strength.

Versatility: WS has a much wider range of abilities here. The range of X abilities is basically enhanced physical traits, enhanced senses, Healing factors, and extreme marksmanship. The WS team possesses those and a number of other abilities including telekinetic and telepathic abilities, battle computer's, the ability to assume mist form, generate forcefields, high-tech weaponry, pheremones, and move reading.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Skill: I don't see how you can put them at equal. The Healing brigade tends to tank blows more than evade them because of their HFs. Characters like Nemesis don't have that luxury, they can't be lazy in their fighting style. If not for his adamantium skeleton and Healing factor Wolverine would lose to a number of Martial artists.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Power: Well Sabes is a big asset to team X here considering he is very formidable strength and power-wise though it's never been really specified exactly how strong he is, Class 4 ranges anywhere from 4-25 tons I believe. Most of the WS characters are categorized with at least superhuman strength.

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Originally posted by Lunacyde
ersatility: WS has a much wider range of abilities here. The range of X abilities is basically enhanced physical traits, enhanced senses, Healing factors, and extreme marksmanship. The WS team possesses those and a number of other abilities including telekinetic and telepathic abilities, battle computer's, the ability to assume mist form, generate forcefields, high-tech weaponry, pheremones, and move reading.

fantomex can due pretty much any of thoses abilites, agent zero can do a number of abilities that friggin WS never even seen before. They also have number of teamates who carries numerous weapons, such things as adamatium bullets, knifes, vibrianium suits anti metal ect.

clearly you dont understand or know much about what some of the more obscure members of marvel team can do or carries with them. Because fantomex and agent zero are just a versitile as any member of WS team. Shit fantomex computer battle type program as well. also any member of team marvel who has super human senses can move read.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
agree to disagre. were just going in cikrcles. cybernary to me is very impressive. she has a battle computer that allows her to know her opponentsw moves and can distract any of her foes through pheromones. id side with team ws myself.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Skill: I don't see how you can put them at equal. The Healing brigade tends to tank blows more than evade them because of their HFs. Characters like Nemesis don't have that luxury, they can't be lazy in their fighting style. If not for his adamantium skeleton and Healing factor Wolverine would lose to a number of Martial artists.

Power: Well Sabes is a big asset to team X here considering he is very formidable strength and power-wise though it's never been really specified exactly how strong he is, Class 4 ranges anywhere from 4-25 tons I believe. Most of the WS characters are categorized with at least superhuman strength.

Versatility: WS has a much wider range of abilities here. The range of X abilities is basically enhanced physical traits, enhanced senses, Healing factors, and extreme marksmanship. The WS team possesses those and a number of other abilities including telekinetic and telepathic abilities, battle computer's, the ability to assume mist form, generate forcefields, high-tech weaponry, pheremones, and move reading.

Cybernary, Nemesis, Caleb, and Backlash have no strength feats that couldn't be replicated by nearly everyone on Weapon X. With Sabretooth and Agent Orange on separate teams, it balances out. I'm being generous too. Many people would argue that Sabretooth is the strongest here.

Where will the telekinesis and telepathy come from? Nemesis's force fields will serve the same function as Zero's vibranium suit and the various healing factors. Fantomex has EVA, which is probably the most high tech thing in the thread. Agent Zero can shoot "hadoukens" and nullify healing factors which would help if he gets into it with Midnighter. To be honest, Weapon X has some ability to check each one of Team Wildstorm's abilities except Backlash. With CIS on, Backlash's misting is only a slight advantage. I'd rank them at roughly equal.

I'm curious about the telekinetic and telepathic feats though. Those might change things. Which instances are you talking about?

I am pretty sure every member of weapon x has tp blockers.

In all fairness I forgot Fantomex was on Team X so my evaluation is somewhat skewed.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I just wanted to clear the issue up. I do think Cybernary is impressive, but her damage soak presents the same liability as the rest of her team.

He does have the option of getting hit, but it does not mean he's less skilled. I've seen Nemesis get saved by forcefields the same way I've seen Wolverine get saved by his healing factor. He's got plenty of martial arts related feats. Dugan already named some.

Cybernary, Nemesis, Caleb, and Backlash have no strength feats that couldn't be replicated by nearly everyone on Weapon X. With Sabretooth and Agent Orange on separate teams, it balances out. I'm being generous too. Many people would argue that Sabretooth is the strongest here.

Where will the telekinesis and telepathy come from? Nemesis's force fields will serve the same function as Zero's vibranium suit and the various healing factors. Fantomex has EVA, which is probably the most high tech thing in the thread. Agent Zero can shoot "hadoukens" and nullify healing factors which would help if he gets into it with Midnighter. To be honest, Weapon X has some ability to check each one of Team Wildstorm's abilities except Backlash. With CIS on, Backlash's misting is only a slight advantage. I'd rank them at roughly equal.

I'm curious about the telekinetic and telepathic feats though. Those might change things. Which instances are you talking about?

She has her own healing factor and on top of that, I don't worry about her getting hit at all. She did dodge an army of super-men for what it's worth.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
She has her own healing factor and on top of that, I don't worry about her getting hit at all. She did dodge an army of super-men for what it's worth.

She was pretty much untouchable when she was facing the army. IIRC, No one could land a hit on her. Same army that took on Authority and Wildcats. Pretty impressive, IMO.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
She was pretty much untouchable when she was facing the army. IIRC, No one could land a hit on her. Same army that took on Authority and Wildcats. Pretty impressive, IMO.

it rediculous.

She also took on an army of Coda warriors and Authority. Plus got into Gamora's base and killed him. Hardly one feat.

IMO, she's the toughest one here. She'd kick the shit out of Midnighter, too.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
yea and wolverine killed an army of super villains. Your using one feat as the end all be all. That one feat does ny equate to her being untouchable thats rediculous.

What army of supervillains was this? What feats did they show beforehand?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
She was pretty much untouchable when she was facing the army. IIRC, No one could land a hit on her. Same army that took on Authority and Wildcats. Pretty impressive, IMO.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
She has her own healing factor and on top of that, I don't worry about her getting hit at all. She did dodge an army of super-men for what it's worth.

I haven't seen her possible healing factor do anything even on the level Midnighter.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
In all fairness I forgot Fantomex was on Team X so my evaluation is somewhat skewed.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
She also took on an army of Coda warriors and Authority. Plus got into Gamora's base and killed him. Hardly one feat.

IMO, she's the toughest one here. She'd kick the shit out of Midnighter, too.

I agree that she could beat Midnighter. She can do the blade trick she used on the Coda assassins. I'm not so sure she could beat Nemesis though.

Originally posted by StyleTime
To be fair, The Authority wrecked them. The army has very low durability and behave in mindless fodder fashion. Their only real strength is numbers. She's impressive, but nothing out of Weapon X's league.

I haven't seen her possible healing factor do anything even on the level Midnighter.

Oh, ok.

She's also been taken out by what amounts to a tazer and a spear stab by a Coda. What issue was the fight against the Authority? After Kaizen sent her to capture the Carrier, I only remember her fighting Hawksmoor.

I agree that she could beat Midnighter. She can do the blade trick she used on the Coda assassins. I'm not so sure she could beat Nemesis though.

She's also fought multiple clones of the High, so she is quite fast and can take over machines as well.

Her nano tech enables her to conjure any weapon necessary.

Her healing is good too. She's able to fight without limbs and can regrow her limbs.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
She's also fought multiple clones of the High, so she is quite fast and can take over machines as well.

Her nano tech enables her to conjure any weapon necessary.

Her healing is good too. She's able to fight without limbs and can regrow her limbs.

Well, she isn't The Engineer. I've only seen her make blades and submachine guns.

When did she regrow a limb?

Originally posted by StyleTime
That's in line with I am saying though. She's impressive, but can only take as about as many stabs as Caleb.

Well, she isn't The Engineer. I've only seen her make blades and submachine guns.

When did she regrow a limb?

During the Cyberbnary 2.0 series. She's pretty durable, though. Plus, like I said, I'm not worried about her getting sliced up. Her computer mind can see whoever's moves before they do it. We know that Wolvie has lost to Mr. X and this would be no different.

BTW, she's also somewhat immune to EMP blasts. She also has EMP grenades to shut down anything mechanical in her area.

I find it interesting no one has brought up Nemesis' forcefeilds.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
During the Cyberbnary 2.0 series. She's pretty durable, though. Plus, like I said, I'm not worried about her getting sliced up. Her computer mind can see whoever's moves before they do it. We know that Wolvie has lost to Mr. X and this would be no different.

BTW, she's also somewhat immune to EMP blasts. She also has EMP grenades to shut down anything mechanical in her area.

For starters X powers don't work the same way. Second WOlverine now posses high level TP blockers. Third Wolverine beat X twice. Fifth one time X did beat Wolverine, Wolverine had fought his own personal army and then body guards who were individuals that were so skilled X allowed them to live. One of which was being possed by Ogun at the time.

What would be mechanical?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
For starters X powers don't work the same way. Second WOlverine now posses high level TP blockers. Third Wolverine beat X twice. Fifth one time X did beat Wolverine, Wolverine had fought his own personal army and then body guards who were individuals that were so skilled X allowed them to live. One of which was being possed by Ogun at the time.

What would be mechanical?

They're not the same, but Cybernary's computer mind is much better, anyway. Not only can she read Wolvies mind, but know her opponents moves and can even feel their movements by locking down on them.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
They're not the same, but Cybernary's computer mind is much better, anyway. Not only can she read Wolvies mind, but know her opponents moves and can even feel their movements by locking down on them.

No she can't read his mind. Did you miss the part were I said he has a high level TP blocker?

Logan and any individual on his team with enhance senses can also tell there opponents moves before they make them. Fantomex has several computer brains running scenerio's as well. She not brining anything special to the table.

I just said they're not the same thing, but Cybernary will know his movements. She's has the best technology built inside of her.