can some one explain the difference between:
quantum entanglement
quantum teleportation
worm hole or folding space.
in the context of how each could be considered teleportation and how each is different,...
and also is one method of teleportation not really just fancy cloning and destroying of the original?
Originally posted by King Castle
quantum entanglement
The wiki description amounts to: You have a bunch of things that cannot be described properly without describing all of them, and describing them requires lots of scary math.
Originally posted by King Castle
quantum teleportation
Well I don't know how it happens (and I seriously doubt I could explain it to you accurately if I did).
What occurs is pretty simple. Once you entangle two particles they become "linked". In the case of quantum "teleportation" this only a matter of information (in all explanations I see they use the "spin" of the particle). When you observe/measure/disturb one of the particles it picks one quantum state to be in at the exact same time the
entangled particle picks the same state.
Now, I feel I have a responsibility, even as a lay person, to explain that this isn't very useful for teleportation:
Imagine you have two locked boxes. Each of them has a random number generator inside. When you turn the key to open them the random number generator picks a value between 1 and 100, then tells the other one to do the same. They're now both stuck like that, displaying a number forever, in this case it is 54.
If the person who owns the other box opens it he'll see 54 but he won't know if it was like that before he opened it or if he was the one that caused it to change. And you don't know either, to find out you both have to communicate through some other method.
Originally posted by King Castle
worm hole or folding space.
Its like a hole punched through space-time. Anything of the right size can pass through.
I wouldn't call it teleportation. The usual term is a short cut.
An understanding of the physics of it (beyond this famous simplification of the concept) would apparently require knowing what a "three-manifold of the nontrivial topology" is.
so what exactly is happening here?
if it were possible what would be the science of what they are doin?
Originally posted by King Castle
so what exactly is happening here?if it were possible what would be the science of what they are doin?
They're talking about Star Trek where the transporters take a snapshot of every atom of your being, destroy your body, then build an identical version of you in a new place.
The problem Sheldon presents is a philosophical one, not a scientific one.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The problem Sheldon presents is a philosophical one, not a scientific one.
at least not a physics one.
The problem is that the "transported" you would not have the same "stream-of-consciousness" that the destroyed person would have. To you, if would be the same as death, you would cease to exist. Another, new being, with the same memories/personality/etc would then exist in a new place, and to anyone who wasn't undergoing to "transportation", it would seem like a single being was moved from place to place, but in terms of the "You" that is created by the brain, you would cease to exist and a new "you" would now inhabit the earth.
Originally posted by King Castle
quantum entanglementquantum teleportation
Originally posted by King Castle
i wonder if autism is hereditary?mhmmalso which ones can be beatin out of the child ala positive negative reinforcement?
Beating a child to make them stop doing something is punishment, not positive or negative reinforcement. Doing it as an attempt to cure autism is barbaric as well.
Originally posted by King Castle
i wonder if autism is hereditary?mhmm
Autism is a very poorly understood range of disorders with a similar constelation of symptoms. While there are as many theories as there are psychologists, there is almost certainly a genetic component.
iirc, it does run in families, the same way anxiety disorders run in my family (ie - it isn't likely that each child will have the same "autism", but they may each have similar symptoms involving social interactions and attention).
Originally posted by King Castle
also which ones can be beatin out of the child ala positive negative reinforcement?
negative reinforcement means something different than "punishment" in technical psych terms, but in terms of "beating" someone, there is no psychological disorder that this will assist.
Strangely enough, though, conditions like autism, ADD and a couple others show the best results from extreme behavioural interventions. Basically, one-on-one specifically guided attentional and social training.
but, let me just clarify, punishment does not do anything positive for a child (in terms of curing mental illness)
hmm.. in my weekend catholic school, i would get hit on my knuckles for not paying attention same with my MA classes . i would be hit on the surface of my palms with a bokken stick. what i learned from this was to pay attention and try harder so not to get hit... i would then repeat everything in my mind to reinforce it.
hence, punishment does work.
although, i do suffer from high anxiety attacks which is great for certain situations not so great for day to day routine.mhmm
Originally posted by King Castle
hmm.. in my weekend catholic school, i would get hit on my knuckles for not paying attention same with my MA classes . i would be hit on the surface of my palms with a bokken stick. what i learned from this was to pay attention and try harder so not to get hit... i would then repeat everything in my mind to reinforce it.hence, punishment does work.
anecdotes =/= general evidence
lack of attention =/= autism
Originally posted by King Castle
hmm.. in my weekend catholic school, i would get hit on my knuckles for not paying attention same with my MA classes . i would be hit on the surface of my palms with a bokken stick. what i learned from this was to pay attention and try harder so not to get hit... i would then repeat everything in my mind to reinforce it.hence, punishment does work.
well, yes, and there are times where, as parents, some type of punishment is needed (though, the way the majority of parents, as well as the teachers you have outlined, go about punishing is probably the worst way).
Originally posted by King Castle
although, i do suffer from high anxiety attacks which is great for certain situations not so great for day to day routine.mhmm
when have you found an anxiety attack to be helpful?
Originally posted by inimalist
well, yes, and there are times where, as parents, some type of punishment is needed (though, the way the majority of parents, as well as the teachers you have outlined, go about punishing is probably the worst way).
i trained in korean TKD in old school methods physical punishment was standard. if a parent didnt like it they could try to sue which failed due to contract or take them out.. both happen regularly large turn over but my master refused to allow his dojo to be Americanized and commercialized.
also it wasnt the worse thing it was the best thing for the environment i was in... the only one i consider to be bad is the stupid nuns in catholic school... bein hit for asking questions really erks me.
Originally posted by inimalistdurin incoming mortar rounds in iraq, having to move follow procedures gather my guys run down all my mental list of things to do under the situation assessing and whatnot....
when have you found an anxiety attack to be helpful?
it increased my reaction time and ability to focus under pressure probably due to the immediate adrenaline surge..
also when i got back from the states i could skip work and go see the base psychiatrist and talk about how my natural anxiety had bn strengthen by PTST back in the rear...
odd to since i had never considered my behavior in iraq as anxiety attacks but normal responses... turns out i couldnt shut it off back home when it came to cars, loud noises and even certain ppl approaching me.. that was the bad part.
Originally posted by King Castle
i trained in korean TKD in old school methods physical punishment was standard. if a parent didnt like it they could try to sue which failed due to contract or take them out.. both happen regularly large turn over but my master refused to allow his dojo to be Americanized and commercialized.also it wasnt the worse thing it was the best thing for the environment i was in... the only one i consider to be bad is the stupid nuns in catholic school... bein hit for asking questions really erks me.
you are describing more of a "I wanted a brutal teacher" than "punishment worked" scenario. There is an abundance of research on how poor of a motivator punishment is.
Originally posted by King Castle
durin incoming mortar rounds in iraq, having to move follow procedures gather my guys run down all my mental list of things to do under the situation assessing and whatnot....it increased my reaction time and ability to focus under pressure probably due to the immediate adrenaline surge..
not to argue with whoever told you such, but that isn't an anxiety attack. You were right to consider that a normal adrenaline rush, but it also has to do with the conditioned response the military trained into you
Originally posted by King Castle
also when i got back from the states i could skip work and go see the base psychiatrist and talk about how my natural anxiety had bn strengthen by PTST back in the rear...
touche
Originally posted by King Castle
odd to since i had never considered my behavior in iraq as anxiety attacks but normal responses... turns out i couldnt shut it off back home when it came to cars, loud noises and even certain ppl approaching me.. that was the bad part.
see, the back home stuff, that is the anxious response based on the conditioning Iraq would have given you. From how you describe it, your performance in Iraq was more of a "pre-conscious motor plan" that the military trained you for, basically, your training took over the thinking part of your brain in terms of deciding your actions.
For instance, many people totally shut down during anxiety attacks, for myself, I need to lay down or I will faint. "heightened performance and awareness" are normal responses to normal amounts of anxiety, not qualities of an anxiety attack.
Originally posted by inimalist
you are describing more of a "I wanted a brutal teacher" than "punishment worked" scenario. There is an abundance of research on how poor of a motivator punishment is.
also i guess some ppl are not aware between commericalized MA's and actual combat oriented MA's..
its the difference between exercise or looking pretty and doin it right as it was intended for and able to be effective in Maiming and inducing pain.
Originally posted by inimalist
not to argue with whoever told you such, but that isn't an anxiety attack. You were right to consider that a normal adrenaline rush, but it also has to do with the conditioned response the military trained into youtouche
Originally posted by inimalistthe anxiety was also in iraq its just that the i had an outlet and a different trigger. i was constantly on edge tryin to keep from being yelled out and fear of screwin up and losing my rank via a vindictive @$$hole and a yrs of hard work goin down the drain and bein labeled or risked being kicked out with a dishonorable discharge..
see, the back home stuff, that is the anxious response based on the conditioning Iraq would have given you. From how you describe it, your performance in Iraq was more of a "pre-conscious motor plan" that the military trained you for, basically, your training took over the thinking part of your brain in terms of deciding your actions.
Originally posted by inimalist
For instance, many people totally shut down during anxiety attacks, for myself, I need to lay down or I will faint. "heightened performance and awareness" are [b]normal responses to normal amounts of anxiety, not qualities of an anxiety attack. [/B]
also the 1st time i had an anxiety/panic attack was in disney land only about a month back from returning. i wasnt comfortable socializing nor did i want to, i felt completely alienated from the ppl i once freely socialized with.. the fireworks and canon fire caused both me and my friend to flinch and a physical adrenaline response. my friends wife who was a nurse had bn noticing our behavior through out the night and made an excuse for us to leave.. she was a navy nurse studying to be a doctor.. we both got in the car no one talked accept her saying that it was okay for us to not be sociable.. i had curled up in a ball in the back of a seat and was overwhelmed with a need to cry and despair... needless to say she reported us to our command the next day.. she went over my head since i was the office Nco at the time.
i have said this story in the past.... anyways the anxiety in iraq was a precursor to me being constantly primed and ready for whatever was happening whether it was being yelled at or a stupid mortar round landing near our location.
the problem was i had learn to deal with it as a constant due to my location and my behavior was the norm not so so much back in the states where a stranger causes me to be on guard not allow him to approach me.. where a guy mouthing off at me gets the same response and i am willingly to escalate it which is frowned upon especially by douche baggery cops... i dont like being touched not that i didnt like it b4 but i really really dont like being touched especially by certain ppl.. i also have anxiety attacks behind the wheel to the point i no longer want to drive where i would rather take the bus or walk..
i explained all my issues b4 in various threads so this isnt the 1st time i have posted these particular issues.
Originally posted by inimalist
at least not a physics one.The problem is that the "transported" you would not have the same "stream-of-consciousness" that the destroyed person would have. To you, if would be the same as death, you would cease to exist. Another, new being, with the same memories/personality/etc would then exist in a new place, and to anyone who wasn't undergoing to "transportation", it would seem like a single being was moved from place to place, but in terms of the "You" that is created by the brain, you would cease to exist and a new "you" would now inhabit the earth.
Is that actually definitely true though or just an assumption? I mean this stream of consciousness wouldn't it be the exact same one? Can't the stream of consciousness also cut in different ways? Comas or sleep or something?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Is that actually definitely true though or just an assumption? I mean this stream of consciousness wouldn't it be the exact same one? Can't the stream of consciousness also cut in different ways? Comas or sleep or something?
"stream of consciousness" was the best thing I could come up with, though, you are right, it isn't specifically the stream of consciousness ending that would create the problem.
Its more like, the experiences you have, as in you, are tied into the physical pieces of your body as they are assembled now. If quantum teleportation actually destroys the physical pieces of your brain, regardless if something else, identical, is created somewhere else, the experience to you is going to be the same as death.
This is an assumption, yes. But, the only way it could really work is if there is some form of dualist "thing" inside your mind which can be transported to the new body being assembled, which would require essentially everything we know about the brain to be rewritten.
My understanding of quantum teleportation might be wrong though, I'm going by what was described in the "Big Bang" video above, which was the literal deconstruction of the brain at a sub-atomic level.
It is the same reason why being "downloaded" into a computer, if possible, would have to be a step by step thing. Though, in that case it might be possible to teleport, if the "hardware" of the brain could be converted to software (rather than just replaced with chips that act as neurons).
there should be a science forum on here. i 've always thought that for years.
my question i always wanted to know, and i know no one person or persons has the answer yet, or that i know of, but i've always wondered if the universe goes on forever to infinity and beyond or is there a proverbial wall where things just stop.
or is the unverse, just a small area in the cosmos, with many clusters of galaxies with in it, that can be left behind (maybe into another universe. -or not-)..
but then do the cosmos have a wall or is it just forever. infinite and eternal, with no beginning or end..
it's really all just unimaginable. but there is are answers. factually. naturally or scientifically.
