Lord Mar-Vell vs Darkseid

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Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by 753
It destroyed the board and more importantly put him out of comission for the duration of the fight, that's one-shoting for the purposes of this fight.

The idea that he is on par with DS or higher isn't solely based on his showing against surfer either.

It didn't put Surfer out of commission at all. Heck, Surfer was already back to his knees on the same page in which Marv blasted him:
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2884/ti4headshotcps018.jpg
(bottom panel)

Surfer was knocked to the ground... That's really it.

Originally posted by 753
The idea that he is on par with DS or higher isn't solely based on his showing against surfer either.
I understand the power Marv is supposed to be packing, and maybe by the end of this arc he will have actually displayed uber magnitudes of this power. But as of now, he has done nothing to suggest he is > Darkseid, imo.

Nihilist Senior Member

Pretty much agree with everything Galan has said, its way too early for Lord Marvell at the minute.

dmills Centurion Prime

Yeah. Surfer was on his knee's holding his head like "wtf just happened here" lol!

753 Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
It didn't put Surfer out of commission at all. Heck, Surfer was already back to his knees on the same page in which Marv blasted him:
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2884/ti4headshotcps018.jpg
(bottom panel)

Surfer was knocked to the ground... That's really it.

I understand the power Marv is supposed to be packing, and maybe by the end of this arc he will have actually displayed uber magnitudes of this power. But as of now, he has done nothing to suggest he is > Darkseid, imo.

I didnt say it koed him, I said he didn't do anything else for that fight, that blast was enough to take him out of the fight, otherwise he would have gone back to help nova. even when mar-vell starts doing whatever to nova and he begins shrieking, the SS isn't in condition to help, only Drax's death stopped it. He handled two high heralds like insects in that fight.

We shoulf wait and see more, but I think it's safe to assume he is at least an upper trans level, which is what most people rank DS as.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by 753
I didnt say it koed him, I said he didn't do anything else for that fight, that blast was enough to take him out of the fight, otherwise he would have gone back to help nova.
Surfer was not incapacitated by Marv's blast -- we were shown that much. So I think his not attempting to reenter the fight afterward can be viewed as blatant CIS/PIS.

Originally posted by 753
We shoulf wait and see more, but I think it's safe to assume he is at least an upper trans level, which is what most people rank DS as.
Only time will tell. But as of right now, he's not on Darkseid's level.

dmills Centurion Prime

Originally posted by Galan007
It didn't put Surfer out of commission at all. Heck, Surfer was already back to his knees on the same page in which Marv blasted him:
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2884/ti4headshotcps018.jpg
(bottom panel)

Surfer was knocked to the ground... That's really it.

I understand the power Marv is supposed to be packing, and maybe by the end of this arc he will have actually displayed uber magnitudes of this power. But as of now, he has done nothing to suggest he is > Darkseid, imo.

He seemed out of it to me. In a TKO sense anyway.

753 Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
[B]Surfer was not incapacitated by Marv's blast -- we were shown that much. So I think his not attempting to reenter the fight afterward can be viewed as blatant CIS/PIS.
He's only seen crounching down, holding his head afterwards, looked pretty out of condition to keep fighting to me. A guy goes like that in a boxing match it's time to throw in the towel.

dmills Centurion Prime

Yeah I just re-read that scene. Norrin was down on his knee holding his head. Clearly that blast rocked him. It counts as a TKO in this forum no?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

^ Huh? All we see is Surfer already back on his knees, literally a second or two after the blast was delivered. He wasn't hurt, stop digging.

753 Senior Member

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Huh? All we see is Surfer already back on his knees, literally a second or two after the blast was delivered. He wasn't hurt, stop digging.
two knees and a hand on the ground, another hand holding his own head

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by 753
two knees and a hand on the ground, another hand holding his own head
And that implies what exactly? If the blast would have done any type of significant damage to Surfer, he wouldn't have been shown getting back up on the same page in which he was blasted.

Y'all are digging deep here.

dmills Centurion Prime

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Huh? All we see is Surfer already back on his knees, literally a second or two after the blast was delivered. He wasn't hurt, stop digging.
What's to dig up? That's clearly what happened. It took him like 7 panels before he was even up on his feet again.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Surfer obviously wasn't seriously hurt in anyway. A temporary knock out? That's asinine.

Originally posted by dmills
At any rate anybody that can smack Nova and Surfer around that easily has to be high trans at LEAST.

Knocking down and smacking around two herald level characters doesn't make you high Trans level.

753 Senior Member

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Smacking around two herald level characters doesn't make you high Trans level.
I think it does, but what about destroying adam magus with a thought?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by dmills
What's to dig up? That's clearly what happened. It took him like 7 panels before he was even up on his feet again.
You do realize that Surfer wasn't shown at all during those pages, right? The plot shifted elsewhere. But considering we SAW him getting back up almost immediately after he was blasted, I'd say it's quite logical to assume he was just fine.

dmills Centurion Prime

Damn man what do you want? I mean the guy even yelled "AAARRRGHHHH!" when he got blasted. Looks like he got hurt to me. Unless you're saying he yelled AAARRRRHHH! because he was afraid of heights.

753 Senior Member

He was clearly stunned and hurt, although he wasnt koed

dmills Centurion Prime

Originally posted by Galan007
You do realize that Surfer wasn't shown at all during those pages, right? The plot shifted elsewhere. But considering we SAW him getting back up almost immediately after he was blasted, I'd say it's quite logical to assume he was just fine.
I'm not even counting those scenes. Only the ones that he was involved in.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

Surfer was hurt. He wasn't seriously hurt. What's so difficult to understand?

That blast knocked him off his feet, hurt him and destroyed his board. A FireLord level feat.

Originally posted by 753
I think it does, but what about destroying adam magus with a thought?

No it doesn't or we'd have to place Superman and Thor in the high trans category on a good day.

That's more conclusive but I'd wait until we see more of Marvell. Eventually his new villain smell will wear off. Probably by the end of this arc when he starts folding.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by dmills
Damn man what do you want? I mean the guy even yelled "AAARRRGHHHH!" when he got blasted. Looks like he got hurt to me. Unless you're saying he yelled AAARRRRHHH! because he was afraid of heights.
I'm not saying the blast didn't cause Surfer some pain, but it clearly didn't cause him any damage.

Again, he was getting back up almost immediately after he was blasted.