Cheetah Vs Thor (No Hammer)

Originally posted by Q99
Rise of the Olympian? Eventually, but Cheetah got in several good shots (with an inner monolog on how almost unstoppable Minerva was) before Diana was able to grab her.

Nah, Cheetah's been consistently nearish to Diana (though I'll note there's times when Diana's been pretty weak, and she'll be written to match), baring a few obvious massive PIS moments like Salvation Run of writers who have no idea how the character normally is.

It's more her toughness that's lower (though still fairly high). Once Diana can actually get in a position to dish out damage things tend to turn in her favor, it's just that's very hard to do. Cheetah's all about the offensive blitz.

The Cheetah is, after all, a god.

Possibly. I'm not sure.

Hmm. Then I'll have to put her slightly above Thing in strength.

Originally posted by Q99
Not as many clear-cut tests of strength, but she's not afraid to go physical. Even does the tail slap thing sorta like the guyCheetah did against Superman.

Or an old one of Diana have trouble holding her back. Similar here, a few runs later.

She's beaten her, and given her a number of claw wounds on several occasions, but I'm hard pressed to think of a time that says "Wow, that's a major injury!"

Based on what I've seen I'd say Thor wins then. Her ability to inflict damage isn't as great as someone of her strength level should be. And her durability isn't as high as one would assume.

She does at best the same amount of damage to Thor as Wolverine, Karnivor or the Disir I guess. Or less. I'd say that's accurate from what I've seen. Thor's above Wonder Woman in durability and apparently Cheetah hasn't done much more than superficial damage to her.

I could use showings that would argue she wouldn't do shit to him at all but I don't want to delve into his higher end feats. Although I'm assuming that's what you've been using for Cheetah.

I'd wager that once Thor gets his hands on her, it's downhill from there. He eventually puts her down whether from lightning or a ground stomp technique. Do you disagree?

I'm surprised no one's mentioned flight yet as an option for Thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Possibly. I'm not sure.

Hmm. Then I'll have to put her above Thing in strength.

Based on what I've seen I'd say Thor wins then. Her ability to inflict damage isn't as great as someone of her strength level should be. And her durability isn't as high as one would assume.

I'd say she does at best the same amount of damage to Thor as Wolverine, Karnivor or the Disir. Or less. I'd say that's accurate from what I've seen. Thor's above Wonder Woman in durability and apparently Cheetah hasn't done much more than superficial damage.

I could use showings that would argue she wouldn't do shit to him at all I don't want to delve into his higher end feats.

From what I've seen, she isn't putting Thor down before he does the same to her. Do you disagree?

^Flash like speed doesn't automatically give you massive damage inflicting abilities. Frankly, it doesn't do that for a great deal of the time.

Honestly? In comics sometimes it does the opposite. Super speed jabs will do less than the same amount of blows at normal speed would do at times.

Why would they be considered Adamantium? I still think she should rip Thor or Superman to shreds if she has strength on such a level unless they're on a higher end day.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Flash like speed doesn't automatically give you massive damage inflicting abilities. Frankly, it doesn't do that for a great deal of the time.

Honestly? In comics sometimes it does the opposite. Super speed jabs will do less than the same amount of blows at normal speed would do at times.

Why would they be considered Adamantium? I still think she should rip Thor or Superman to shreds if she has strength on such a level.

Tell that to Superman. And apparently to Wonder Woman. I just saw here take a clear slash to the face and there was barely any damage.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Tell that to Superman. And apparently to Wonder Woman. I just saw here take a clear slash to the face and there was barely any damage.

I will point out that, while sharp (and Superman was IMO supposed to have been quite hurt by this cut. Wound looks redder here), they are still like a quarter inch long most of the time.

So you won't get big, Wolverine-styled impalements too often, with some exceptions due to raw strength like against Firestorm, but an accumulation of cuts that pile up damage even against the very super-tough.

Adamantium-ish short cheetah claws are still short claws, no matter how sharp they are.

Here's another example. Firehawk, quite supertough, gets her faced ripped open but still relatively shallow.

I could use showings that would argue she wouldn't do shit to him at all but I don't want to delve into his higher end feats. Although I'm assuming that's what you've been using for Cheetah.

Yea. I'd be too ashamed to show the low-end Cheetah stuff. It's.... very, very sad. Even as a non-Cheetah fan you'd probably headdesk at some of the author's mishandling of the character.

I'd wager that once Thor gets his hands on her, it's downhill from there. He eventually puts her down whether from lightning or a ground stomp technique. Do you disagree?

Indeed, unless he's already sufficiently wounded at the point for her to get free.

The question is will he get his hands on her?

Most people seriously underestimate the Cheetah; while she isn't *really* in WW's or Supes range of strength (usually, when she's had to go strength vs. strength with a real heavy hitter, there were either mitigating circumstances -- the tug of war with Diana 25 years ago was with a proportionally much "weaker" take on WW, and Diana's arms were hurt/cut in the previous panels, and therefore in pain -- or it's more properly her exploiting her greater speed to get the advantage), she is still much stronger than most realize. And her attack speed is nearly that of the Flash's; she's been that fast for about the past decade, and usually only loses due to PIS, or when she fluctuates in terms of determination/drive (when WW was on trial for Lord's death, Cheetah was getting in the good blows, but then got distracted, and when Diana cut off her tail, and finally got her hands on her, she went down in two powerful blows -- before and during that moment, she was beginning to wane in terms of her self-belief, which Zoom had indicated often was the key to her unlocking her divine power).

I am split, however, on her battling with Thor. He can take as ass-load of a beating, and while his own "god-card" can be played, it really boils down (much like with WW) of "can he get his hands on her"; she can dodge any general energy attacks he can create (and endure at least one or two shots), but if he can get a solid couple of punches on her, that she can't roll with to mitigate, then he can win.

I'll say it's a split, with Cheetah's wins making Thor regret leaving Mjolner at home that day, and Thor's wins making Barbara go "Oh, great -- a blonde, Norse "Wonder Man" just stomped my ass... God, I hate Diana and her "boyfriends"...".

Originally posted by tideoftime

I'll say it's a split, with Cheetah's wins making Thor regret leaving Mjolner at home that day, and Thor's wins making Barbara go "Oh, great -- a blonde, Norse "Wonder Man" just stomped my ass... God, I hate Diana and her "boyfriends"...".

Diana's her vengeance-buddy 🙂 No-one's allowed to mess with them but each other.

Haha. Since it's Wonder Woman, that seems so lesbian.

Originally posted by Q99
I will point out that, while sharp (and Superman was IMO supposed to have been quite hurt by this cut. Wound looks redder here), they are still like a quarter inch long most of the time.

I guess that makes the attack seem better but it could just be different shading and all that. Really? Did he point that out later on?

Originally posted by Q99
So you won't get big, Wolverine-styled impalements too often, with some exceptions due to raw strength like against Firestorm, but an accumulation of cuts that pile up damage even against the very super-tough.

Adamantium-ish short cheetah claws are still short claws, no matter how sharp they are.

Here's another example. Firehawk, quite supertough, gets her faced ripped open but still relatively shallow.

Yea, I don't know if shallow cuts will be enough to stop Thor. I guess if she goes for the throat or the eyes and keeps at it, it'll be enough but if she goes for the vitals, that will simply force Thor to use smarter tactics. Maybe something like he did against Quicksilver:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsQuicksilver2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsQuicksilver3.jpg

Under Slott, current Quicksilver is pretty damn fast.

Or maybe some omni directional blasts. Some flying and lightning would also be useful.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea. I'd be too ashamed to show the low-end Cheetah stuff. It's.... very, very sad. Even as a non-Cheetah fan you'd probably headdesk at some of the author's mishandling of the character.

I assumed so. Since you've shown off some of the Cheetah's high end stuff, me being a Thor fanboy and all, it's only natural I show off some of Thor's better stuff. Here's basically a list of piercing resistance showings:

Blades from Mephisto’s undead legion shatter against him.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/BulletsSwordsUseless2.jpg

Takes a full swing from Harokin’s axe to the face, and is completely unharmed.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/BulletsandBladesUseless6.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/BulletsandBladesUseless7.jpg

The blades of various Asgardians shatter in a battle against Thor.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsAsgard20.jpg

Magically enchanted Wolves cannot penetrate Thor’s skin.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MagicWolves2.jpg

A maddened Ulik’s cannot penetrate Thor’s skin.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor26.jpg

Volstagg, the lion of Asgard, swings an axe, and it simply breaks against Thor’s chest.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor34.jpg

Thor takes a full swing from the almighty Wolverine and his claws across the face. He has only paper cuts to show for it.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WolverineCutBarely1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/WolverineCutBarely2.jpg

Withstands the claws of Karnivor.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsKarnivor2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsKarnivor3.jpg
Note: Karnivor possesses enough strength and claws sharp enough to reduce the armor of the High Evolutionary himself to shreds.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsKarnivor1.jpg

Catches the blade of a significantly amped Mogul in mid swing and is completely unharmed.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/BladeMogulUnharmed1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/BladeMogulUnharmed2.jpg

Thor takes a swing from Ares axe to his exposed throat/face - while weakened and nearly exhausted.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AresAxeUnharmed.jpg

Shrugs off a blow from Tyr’s spike laced mace to his chest.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsTyr2.jpg

Ares strikes Thor repeatedly with his spike laced mace and Thor is for the most part unharmed.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsAresandPluto1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsAresandPluto2.jpg

He then takes a slash from Pluto's axe without any visible damage.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsAresandPluto7.jpg

Withstands the attacks of Hrinmeer and his magically enchanted Flame sword unharmed.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsTheFlame16.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsTheFlame17.jpg

He does so again.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsTheFlame19.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsTheFlame20.jpg

Withstands a slash from the God Killer Super Skrull and her Stormbreaker Axe across the chest without a scratch.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsSuperGodSkrull12.jpg

Thor withstands Perrikus’ scythe unharmed, and his flesh piercing darts. Apparently even Odin succumbed to them.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus3.jpg
Note: To make this even more impressive, Perrikus was even able to slash Mjolnir in half as ridiculous as it sounds, with his scythe.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsPerrikus4.jpg

Withstands attacks from his scythe unharmed once again, and this Perrikus is even stronger than before.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/King%20Thor/DefeatsPerrikus4.jpg

Bloodaxe pounds away with his axe continuously on a depowered Masterson Thor’s face, and although his receives a bruise from the blunt force damage, he is otherwise unharmed.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsBloodaxe8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/MastersonThorvsBloodaxe9.jpg

Apologizes if it's a bit much.

Originally posted by Q99
Indeed, unless he's already sufficiently wounded at the point for her to get free.

The question is will he get his hands on her?

Meh, Thor's a tough bastard. His will power plus Asgardian nature -recently Doom removed the heart of a regular Asgardian and the bastard was still kicking for 5 minutes as if he'd be fine if the heart was placed back in it's spot. Doom noted that he wasn't even on the level of beings like Loki or Thor- allows him withstand a ridiculous amount of damage.

He could.

Screw honor and fair combat, Thor would be really stupid if he simply didn't take off a few dozen feet into the air.

Honestly, Thor could win this fight pretty easily but too there's a strong possibility he'd fight like a brick.

Haha. Since it's Wonder Woman, that seems so lesbian.

I'm surprised there's not more subtext between them honestly. In most stories they're fairly antagonistic but in this one they teamed up against the White Magician (the one who killed Artemis) so they got more slashy lines than normal 🙂

Did he point that out later on?

Not in words, it's just the impression that I got.

Yea, I don't know if shallow cuts will be enough to stop Thor. I guess if she goes for the throat or the eyes and keeps at it, it'll be enough but if she goes for the vitals, that will simply force Thor to use tactics such as he did against Quicksilver:

Good tactic, and it's not too different than what Diana used against Cheetah in Rise of the Olympian. Though Cheetah doesn't pause between rushes as much as Quicksilver does, more aggressive and less cocky.

I assumed so. Since you've shown off some of the Cheetah's high end stuff, me being a Thor fanboy and all, it's only natural I show off some of Thor's better stuff. Here's basically a list of piercing resistance showings:

Nice scans, thanks 🙂

Screw honor and fair combat, Thor would be really stupid if he simply didn't take off a few dozen feet into the air.

Preferably higher, she leaps around pretty high, and like to do 'grab with tail and slam' stuff too.

I don't see Cheetah doing any more damage than this to Thor:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Disir1.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Disir2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Disir3.jpg

And I think I'm being pretty generous here if she only does superficial damage to Wonder Woman.

Disir are pretty powerful by the way. Sliced through Hela:
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Disir4.jpg

Did the same to Mephisto's elites as I recall.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

And I think I'm being pretty generous here if she only does superficial damage to Wonder Woman.

Well it's worse than it looks. In Rise of the Olympians (which someone has *got* to scan and put into a respect thread), right before Diana caught her, her thought bubbles were saying she could barely stand. They may be small but they mount up fast.

Also, part of why they're superficial is she's actively avoiding them.

I'm aware of that scene and another scene where Diana had trouble going after Cheetah's claws. In my opinion that just takes away from Diana's damage soak and will power more than it adds to Cheetah. Superficial cuts are superficial cuts. And as seen, there are something Thor can withstand plenty off.

Recently Diana was shot in the arm and put down for some time. That kind of shit just takes away from her will power in my eyes. I know the bullet had some enchantment on it but it wasn't like Kryptonite as I recall. She just went down from the pain.

It's similar to a comic where Superman lost his powers while dealing with a flood and completely folded. Lol worthy. He was like b*tching about bleeding or something. Just a bit embarrassing in my eyes.

Originally posted by Q99
I'm surprised there's not more subtext between them honestly. In most stories they're fairly antagonistic but in this one they teamed up against the White Magician (the one who killed Artemis) so they got more slashy lines than normal 🙂

Haha. Wonder Woman should just come out as a bi. They should also do away with the virginity thing. It's just unrealistic considering her age. Albeit, we are talking about comics.

Originally posted by Q99
Not in words, it's just the impression that I got.

Anything more specific? Superman didn't yell out when he was scratched and so on which makes me believe he was basically unharmed.

Originally posted by Q99
Good tactic, and it's not too different than what Diana used against Cheetah in Rise of the Olympian. Though Cheetah doesn't pause between rushes as much as Quicksilver does, more aggressive and less cocky.

True but Thor also has the ability to manipulate the Earth. His created Earth Quakes and so on before. Although, I don't see that happening. I can picture the entire area going to hell as if it was the end of the world if Thor wished it to.

If I was in Thor's body, this would be a pretty easy fight but like I said, he'd fight like a brick. Still, without Mjolnir if he was put in such a situation, either his fighting skills, speed/reflexes, or weather powers would be played up.

Originally posted by Q99
Nice scans, thanks 🙂

No prob.

Originally posted by Q99
Preferably higher, she leaps around like a jungle cat and all that, and likes to grab foes with her tail to slam them back down to Earth (why does a cheetah have a prehensile tail? She just does!).

He can fly in space without the aid of Mjolnir. Still, Thor's flight without Mjolnir has been inconsistent at times but in the last few decades, I don't believe it's been shown he depends on Mjolnir for flight. The opposite.

Haha. Wonder Woman should just come out as a bi. They should also do away with the virginity thing. It's just unrealistic considering her age. Albeit, we are talking about comics.

Personally I doubt she's a virgin, they just haven't come out and said it.

And her mother's all but come out, Hippolyta and Phillipus (black Amazon general) have a thing for each other.

Anything more specific? Superman didn't yell out when he was scratched and so on which makes me believe he was basically unharmed.

Mm, if I could find more scans I could probably answer that more solidly.

The entire island has mass orgies or something. They've been there for thousands of years without any men.

And didn't Hercules keep her as a a sex slave at one point? You know he hit. Diana's mom isn't a virgin.

Dude's awesome even in the DCU.

What issue number is it? I'll find the issue and upload the scans.