Debunking DBZ power myths

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's more like magic than a really electromagnetic phenomena.

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It could never happen in the real world. The object would disappear as soon as it left. No after image, nothing. If it's not there, no light can reflect from it. If the object moved from it's spot faster than, it would either turn completely into energy (due to the infinite amount of acceleration and then braking the C barrier) or it would go back in time....making it leave it's location even sooner than it left it's location. So it would disappear before it even attempted to leave. 😐

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I learned that if you move faster than light and returned next to where you were. You could see yourself as you were before you left and witnesses would only see the past you, frozen in time but could not see you next to yourself lookin' at your past self. You would forever be in the future. Everything you do would not be percieved until much later.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Wave your hand in front of your monitor. 🙂

You're comparing apples to oranges here.

Originally posted by Astner
That's just because your screen don't emit light in a continuous flow. It flickers with around 24 images per second and between each flicker your eye captures sequencing pictures of your hand which it adds together with a blur effect to compensate for the seeming lack of continuous movement.

That was his exact point. 😐

And, no, it's an excellent comparison. You missed his point, btw.

Originally posted by No End N Site
No no no no no. That's not what I mean. Ichigo looks hella blurry. I mean a PERFECT image. Like Vegito standin there, no blurs, nothin'. He looks like he is there but he is not/he is at the same time. You are seein' him in the past as if it were in the present and he is presently RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU phuckin' you up but cuz light has not caught up to him, you can't see him in front of you, even though he is.

It's like he split himself into ONLY 2 people. One is visible and is doing nothing, mean while one is not visible and is currently/will be raping you. He was literly doin' what is said would happen if you move faster than light and lived to tell about it.

Point is, afterimages are only a visual technique to imply extraordinary speed. Extraordinary movement speed that is not known to be >C or even close to C in either DB(Z) or Bleach.
IT is the only technique Goku knows with which he cross Light Year distances near instantly, and IT is teleportation.

Too damn bad no body knows WTF I'm actually talkin' about. I'm not speakin' on the common blurs that occur in real life. I'm talkin' about puttin' my damn hand in front of my monitor, and pullin' it back so damn fast that it still look like it's there.

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Forgot to mention that after I pull my hand back to my side from the monitor, I look down at my side to see my hand and it is not there.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That was his exact point. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, no, it's an excellent comparison. You missed his point, btw.

Are people seriously arguing that afterimages = lightspeed?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Are people seriously arguing that afterimages = lightspeed?

Originally posted by Astner
it's getting really annoying to find you... pointing out a semantic error...

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Originally posted by Endless Mike
Are people seriously arguing that afterimages = lightspeed?

Originally posted by Astner
No.

Originally posted by Astner
I know, that's why I brought it up and pointed out that it wasn't a sufficient comparison.

No I didn't. Furthermore bury the hatchet already, it's getting really annoying to find you quoting me out of context or pointing out a semantic error after each and every single one of my posts.

It is a sufficient comparison. You missed his point. And this stuff about hatchets...what is wrong with you? Are you that pretentious? You do know that I still have a nice long reply typed up (saved 😉 ) to our conversation in the Tsunade versus thread, but I didn't post it specifically to end the argument, right? 😐 Get over yourself. You can be wrong. It happens.

Originally posted by AthenasTrgrFngr
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It took me a bit to get what you did, there.

I undrstand exactly what he is talking about... during vegito and buu fight vegito blitzed buu but in our eyes it appeared as if vegito was still standing there with his arms across each other... still talking to buu but in reality... the entire vegito was beating buu ass. Then the scene go down to hercule and hercuke is still seeing vegito just standing there but again... the entire time buu and vegito was battling. Another thing that he is saying is during that one scene vegito and buu were throwing punches and vegito was blocking them but in our eyes it appeared as if the air itself was blocking buu punches... vegito arms was still at his side and these were super speed punches... that is completely different than a after image... that is exactly what he was saying... a being that can live in the past and present.

Originally posted by KMCmember
Myth: the protagonists fan move a ftl speeds later in the series

Disproof: For one, why would instant transmission, which Goku said was light speed, be needed? Why do the DBZ characters fight at slower than light speeds and often times move at slower than light speeds in occasions where moving at FTL speeds safely would haveachieved their goals easier?

A more scientific disproof is disproving the main argument supporting it; the calculations based on speed linearly scaling with power levels. However:

1. Power doesn't seem to scale linearly with power level; otherwise that farmer with a power level of 5 would be powerful enough to cascually destroy Everest.
2. Speed doesn't always go up with power level; Trunk used that super muscular SSJ and it slowed his speed.
3. Acceleration/movement capability and speed due to linearly scale; Einstein's equation for the amount of acceleration needed go go at, say, 2 kph does not follow a linear progression.
4. FTL travel by simply moving super fast is impssible. Yes, DBZ isn't that scientifically accurate, but when the Z warriors move quickly regurarly they aren't movin in some magical way; they're moving very fast.

Myth: Z warriors can casually destroy planets

Disproof: Of the villians with planet busting capabilities, only Buu has been able to casually destroy planets. Cell had to charge up his attackand Freiza caused a chain reaction. also, most ki blasts in the later part of the series seem to have an explosive radius similar to low to high yield nuclear weapons, but that is a miniscule fraction next to the amount of energy needed to destroy a planet. To suggest that the Z warriors cancasually destroy planets would be suggesting that they're using less than 0.001% of their energy when fighting, whih given their heavy breathing and facial expressions is a false claim. Besides, most of the Z warriors can't breath in space and would be suicidal to use a planet buster in a fight.

Ok look cell had to charge up his attack because his attack had to get past gohan first, and frieza said himself he held back too much power. I mean vegeta destroyed a planet easily with just two fingers when he was then vastly weaker than both frieza and cell, plus broly destroyed a planet even more casually than buu.

silly question bu, is the instant transmission in the anime different from the manga?