Uber Melee Masters vs Bricks

Originally posted by dmills
@Naija,

Whoa Nellie! Ok. I believe Quakes vibrational output is tantamount to a 10.0 earthquake, but I'll double check it for you. At any rate she was able to lay out Logan with a small dose to his chest or some shyte, bring down a big ass castle etc. She can do wide spread damage or concentrate it into a small area with pin point precision.

Some of them are near super speedsters. Gorgon and Gamora may very well be speedsters.

Rulk means spit here.
1) You use the standard distance argument but then use The Hulk T-clapping Rulk from point blank range. It seems to me that -unless you're arguing that his Tclap would have that same affect from over 1000 ft away-, that you're trying to mix and match your case here.

2) You assume that I'm talking about hard durability with Gorgon. I'm speaking about his damage soak and regen. It's off the chain.

3) Phuck Rulk. His durability isn't all that impressive sans Loeb force 😉. I mean dude was stabbed in the chest by the Punisher.

lol, laying out logan? Bringing down a castle?. You have got to be kidding me. koing a high end class hundred with a single clap character is far far more impressive than either of those.

Moreover gorgon and gamora are fast, but they have absolutely no feat which puts them at a level which the hulk (especially given his speed) or any of the characters on his team wont be able to perceive. That notion is quite absurd.

1.) Actually not at all. The rulk thunderclap was from point blank range yes, but given the vastly inferior overall durability (whether it be damage soak, hard durability or whatever u want to call it), of the members of the other team the distance would not need to be even close to the same in order to have similar effects (likely worse). Moreover, the standard distance argument, was used to emphasize that they wouldnt be able to lay a hand on hulks person before he could clap, that doesnt mean they wouldnt be well within his thunderclapping range. Also after the initial thunderclap which will at the very least and most unlikely case-disorient them for a long period of time (really should ko them)- hulk could then easily go towards them and deliver a T-clap from point blank range which would most certainly kill them, or more likely than not just punch them and turn them to mush.

2.) No this really just more unsupported reasoning on ur part. The gorgon does not have any feats suggesting that he can go through attacks that can level class 100 characters. He has not shown the level of damage soak that would put his overall durability in the same range as a high end class 100 character. Not even close.

3.) His durability is far superior to that of the Gorgon regardless. hulk characters have never had the best piercing durability, but their overall ability to take damage is right up there with other class 100s.

The simple fact of the matter is that the members of team 1 cannot avoid or escape the wide range attacks that WILL incapacitate them, and can certainly not dish out enuff damage to the members of the brick team to take them out before these attacks connect. Period

Originally posted by dmills
Come on brah. You've got to come with more then just "stone stare won't work on Hulk". Why wouldn't it? He'd "heal" from it?

Seriously ur are displaying a huge ignorance of the hulk right here. hulk has resisted numerous transmutative effects befote, and being turned to stone specifically when he resisted the effects of the grey gargoyles powers.

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Hulk's going to thunderclap at opponents from .5 km away? Interesting.

There is also the effect on his own team to consider. Also the fact that KK can fly and also grant a teammate flight with his spare Legion Flight Ring (likely giving it to Gamora).

Originally posted by 753
Why wont the stone stare work? It was made clear it was going to work on wolverine who has a HF on par with the Hulk's.

Even if he can survive decaptiation, which I doubt, he'll be down for the count of this fight.

I believe Mantis can solo him with TP. Gorgon turns hercules into stone, gamorra kills colossus and KK can take big barda down.

Apart from groundtomps and T-claps, he cant take Mantis or KK in h2h, they'll shatter all his joints and dodge his blows. IIRC KK and mantis can levitate too to avoid the stomps. Gorgon can also use TP to predict his opponents moves and with two god killing blades on the field they can do win.

I give the melee team 6/10

hulk is resistant to transmutation. he has shown this in the past, and against being turned to stone specifically even. wolverine and hulk are not analagous in this instance.

It wont get to the point where he will be decapitated anyways so that is of little consequence.

The only hope for the team as i mentioned before is tp, but even then that given hulks impressive showings of tp resistance in the past, the chances of that workiing are pretty low.

Ground stomps and T-claps are all apart of hulks arsenal and with his hf he certainly can take mantis or KK in h2h. the damage they can dish out will heal very quickly, and it wouldnt take more than a punch or two to permanently incapcitate them. tho they will go down to the T-clap anyways so any punches they receive afterwards are just overkill. Gorgon wont be reading hulks mind in any capacity so we can throw that idea (at least in regards to hulk) out of the window.

the brick team has the more powerful attacks, can get those powerful attacks off first, can affect the entire opposing team with those attacks simultaneously etc etc. They have too many advantages here so they take this without much trouble.

Green scar soloes.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Hulk's going to thunderclap at opponents from .5 km away? Interesting.

There is also the effect on his own team to consider. Also the fact that KK can fly and also grant a teammate flight with his spare Legion Flight Ring (likely giving it to Gamora).

hulks obviously going to wait for them to come closer before the T-clap. seriously people need to give hulk more credit than this. None of those on the opposing team are too fast for him to perceive and all of them have to come towards him to attack him (save mantis with TP).

He wont just start clapping his hands like he at some sort of parade at the beginning of the fight (tho that might work too.lol), when he sees them coming towards him he will T-clap. Hulk doesnt have to be genius (which funnily enuff he is at this point) to know to clap when they are within a certain range. Moreover this a character that has laid out a whole forrest with one clap. He has a pretty wide range for it.

Hmmm. What about the telepaths using their abilities to force the other bricks to attack the Hulk before he can T-clap?

Originally posted by Naija boy
hulk is resistant to transmutation. he has shown this in the past, and against being turned to stone specifically even. wolverine and hulk are not analagous in this instance.

It wont get to the point where he will be decapitated anyways so that is of little consequence.

The only hope for the team as i mentioned before is tp, but even then that given hulks impressive showings of tp resistance in the past, the chances of that workiing are pretty low.

Ground stomps and T-claps are all apart of hulks arsenal and with his hf he certainly can take mantis or KK in h2h. the damage they can dish out will heal very quickly, and it wouldnt take more than a punch or two to permanently incapcitate them. tho they will go down to the T-clap anyways so any punches they receive afterwards are just overkill. Gorgon wont be reading hulks mind in any capacity so we can throw that idea (at least in regards to hulk) out of the window.

the brick team has the more powerful attacks, can get those powerful attacks off first, can affect the entire opposing team with those attacks simultaneously etc etc. They have too many advantages here so they take this without much trouble.

Green scar soloes.

The transmutation worked briefly but he overcame it with hf. It could sdtill slow him down enough for decaptiation for instance. I think you are making too much out of the hulk's tp resistance.

As for how the fighters can incapacitate him with his HF, you seem to forget the hulk gets knocked out all the time by much weaker people and they can just immobilize him. I see no reason why they can't possibly decapitate him either.

And as was pointed out above they can mindrape his team into turning against each other.

Originally posted by Bentley
In WWH when Logan was fighting him the claws were no longer capable of piercing him deep, he was just scratching his skin.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Are you kidding me? dude he stabed his entire claw into hulks arm.

only person logan really has trouble cutting is colossus.

Originally posted by 753
The transmutation worked briefly but he overcame it with hf. It could sdtill slow him down enough for decaptiation for instance. I think you are making too much out of the hulk's tp resistance.

As for how the fighters can incapacitate him with his HF, you seem to forget the hulk gets knocked out all the time by much weaker people and they can just immobilize him. I see no reason why they can't possibly decapitate him either.

And as was pointed out above they can mindrape his team into turning against each other.

The increased rage stopped it from working. Current hulk or banner is back in his green scar mindstate so it is unlikely to work at all given that even his base level of rage is higher than that of an angry regular hulk.

Also id say its a bit of an exxageration to say that hulk gets knocked out all the time by weaker people. Yes he does have some feats where he gets knocked down by those weaker than him, but remeber that this is current hulk in his green scar mindstate. Hulk at this level had his HF working near instantaneously and so knocking him out would be hella hard (as we saw recently he was taking punches from Rulk with a smile on his face and didnt seem affected even in the slightest) for the people here . Decapitation is only possible if mantis can TP but given the difficulty which both Xavier and Dr strange had with Hulk in this mindstate, i dont see mantis doing any better.

Also in regards to the mindrape thing (which is the best and most valid option brought up by any in this thread) mantis is the only one who can possibly perform an actual mindrape on any of the members of team 2. Tho to validate that id like to see some examples of mantis forcibly taking control of multiple people with her TP.

Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah, logan never had trouble cutting hulk.

only person logan really has trouble cutting is colossus.

He never had trouble cutting colossus either.

Originally posted by Naija boy
The increased rage stopped it from working. Current hulk or banner is back in his green scar mindstate so it is unlikely to work at all given that even his base level of rage is higher than that of an angry regular hulk.

Also id say its a bit of an exxageration to say that hulk gets knocked out all the time by weaker people. Yes he does have some feats where he gets knocked down by those weaker than him, but remeber that this is current hulk in his green scar mindstate. Hulk at this level had his HF working near instantaneously and so knocking him out would be hella hard (as we saw recently he was taking punches from Rulk with a smile on his face and didnt seem affected even in the slightest) for the people here . Decapitation is only possible if mantis can TP but given the difficulty which both Xavier and Dr strange had with Hulk in this mindstate, i dont see mantis doing any better.

Also in regards to the mindrape thing (which is the best and most valid option brought up by any in this thread) mantis is the only one who can possibly perform an actual mindrape on any of the members of team 2. Tho to validate that id like to see some examples of mantis forcibly taking control of multiple people with her TP.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Are you kidding me? dude he stabed his entire claw into hulks arm.

I already recanted that point, it's been a long time since I read WWH, don't worry, you know I don't mean to lowball Logan.

Originally posted by 753
She's controlled crowds in knowhere and the faith capital world of the church of universal truth. She has helped mindlock derranged reborn thanos. How is Hercules and Bardas resistance to TP? why can't it work on them?

hmm,true, u just reminded me of her recent exploits in guardian of the galaxy. Hence with that in mind, as i said before that would be their best strategy, and i think they would get some wins because of it. However if this is Green Scar (who has one shotted the likes of Ares, She Hulk, Rulk), even the addition of immortal herc and barda i dont wouldnt be able to stop the hulk from getting off the thunderclap which would greatly turn the fight in his teams favor (if not end it outrightly).

Originally posted by Naija boy
hmm,true, u just reminded me of her recent exploits in guardian of the galaxy. Hence with that in mind, as i said before that would be their best strategy, and i think they would get some wins because of it. However if this is Green Scar (who has one shotted the likes of Ares, She Hulk, Rulk), even the addition of immortal herc and barda i dont wouldnt be able to stop the hulk from getting off the thunderclap which would greatly turn the fight in his teams favor (if not end it outrightly).

Mantis TPing Barda to boomtube Hulk away?

TP Herc to grapple Hulk so someone could decapitate him?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Mantis TPing Barda to boomtube Hulk away?

TP Herc to grapple Hulk so someone could decapitate him?

Bfr would probably be the best tactic, it's not sure Herc can hold Hulk before he goes to attack.

all i can say is that Naija boy is pulling way too many things out of his ass, logan cant cut hulk? stone stare wont work on hulk? barda and hercules will resist high level telepathy? too many things getting pulled out of this guys ass

gosh i am playing now tekken 6 online and the ranking system is ****ed up seriously i just got a win and then the win dissapeared thats some crazy shit .. anyway my record is 22 wins and 18 losses

Originally posted by slimkid
all i can say is that Naija boy is pulling way too many things out of his ass, logan cant cut hulk? stone stare wont work on hulk? barda and hercules will resist high level telepathy? too many things getting pulled out of this guys ass

Ur a bufoon. I never said logan cant cut hulk neither did i say that telepathy wont work on barda and hercules. Nice attempt at misrepresentation though.......j/k ...... pathetic attempt at misrepresentation and strawman argumentation. Learn to read first troll before attempting to coment on another persons posts. Now GTFO

Stone Stare WONT work on hulk though and i have already explained why and given examples of hulk resisting such attacks in the past.