Ummm... yeah they aren't fighting at human levels... I don't think that at least. When they say unamped I think the OP means no god powers not that there strength is reduced to mortal levels. At standard strength and speed I give it to Odin, Zeus has always been a I smite you with a thunderbolt kinda guy to solve his problems while Odin comes down to beat your skull in with a rock if need be.
Originally posted by zopzopHandbooks=crap
Guys one of the questions in this thread was Odin vs Zeus UNAMPED.Their handbook entries make it clear who would win UNAMPED (hint, it's not Odin).
Hercules>then Zues
Odin> pummeled Thor muiltiple times no amps
Thor=Hercules in strength
Odin>Thor=Hercules>Zeus
H2H zeus is the better fighter he is more of a brawler than odin and the better fighter overall and also as the scans show us zeus will beat odin in a H2H fight
by the way i jave noticed that over here and other comics forums people that had juggernaut sigs or avatars removed it ... some fans you are just because the guy having some bad times you give him the finger? wtf will you tell him when he gets his powers back? he be like wtf you f^ckin back stubing midgets
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Which is my point that handbooks are junk.If the handbooks were right namor and even more so Thor would destroy Zeus in a H2H
Jeez, the Handbooks themselves say, "when not bolstering his strength by other means" aka when he's not AMPING, and then give their base strength.
The stat for Odin and Zeus hasn't changed in decades and you can safely assume this is how the Marvel writers/editors want it.
Unamped you have the following facts :
Zeus is at 90 tons, Odin at 75
Olympians don't age after hitting the equivalent of a 30-33 year old human being, Asgardians continue aging and will eventually die of old age (compare Odin's appearance to Zeus' as further proof of Odin's deterioration, the handbook states that he originally had blond hair)
Both Zeus and Odin are skilled hand 2 hand combatants (says so right in their handbook entry)
Zeus wins this EASILY unamped.
EDIT :
Here's the exact quote -
http://marvel.wikia.com/Zeus_Panhellenios_%28Earth-616%29
Like all Olympians, Zeus is superhumanly strong. His strength is far superior to the vast majority of his race and he is capable of lifting about 90 tons without supplementing his strength with his other powers.
See the part in bold? That's called WITHOUT AMPING.
Originally posted by zopzop
Jeez, the Handbooks themselves say, "when not bolstering his strength by other means" aka when he's not AMPING, and then give their base strength.The stat for Odin and Zeus hasn't changed in decades and you can safely assume this is how the Marvel writers/editors want it.
Unamped you have the following facts :
Zeus is at 90 tons, Odin at 75
Olympians don't age after hitting the equivalent of a 30-33 year old human being, Asgardians continue aging and will eventually die of old age (compare Odin's appearance to Zeus' as further proof of Odin's deterioration, the handbook states that he originally had blond hair)
Both Zeus and Odin are skilled hand 2 hand combatants (says so right in their handbook entry)
Zeus wins this EASILY unamped.
EDIT :
Here's the exact quote -
http://marvel.wikia.com/Zeus_Panhellenios_%28Earth-616%29See the part in bold? That's called WITHOUT AMPING.
Did you really just quote marvel wikipedia as reference it is a fan base/made websight. Odin with out the Odinpower has taken the dark gos while they had the odinpower Odin and Zeus are 100plus ton bricks They have both owned Thor in brute force many times in comics were theere was no amping. Comic book feats are what we debate here. We have seen when Odin and Zeus amp their strength and it gets ugly they don't needed no danm amp
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Did you really just quote marvel wikipedia as reference it is a fan base/made websight. Odin with out the Odinpower has taken the dark gos while they had the odinpower Odin and Zeus are 100plus ton bricks They have both owned Thor in brute force many times in comics were theere was no amping. Comic book feats are what we debate here. We have seen when Odin and Zeus amp their strength and it gets ugly they don't needed no danm amp
No Marvel wikia quoted word for word from the Handbook, I have the handbook myself.
Without bolstering their strength by other means :
Odin class 70, Zeus class 90.
Zeus the human equivalent of a 30 year old man, Odin a geriatric.
Both adept at hand 2 hand
You do the math.
Here, here is the EXACT word for word and even picture of the Marvel Handbook entry on Zeus :
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/z/zeus.htm
Strength Level: Zeus possesses superhuman strength that surpasses that of each of the other Olympian gods except for that of his son Hercules. Zeus can lift (press) 90 tons without making use of any of his other powers.
Also
Like all Olympians he is immortal: he has not aged since reaching adulthood
Unamped Zeus crushed Odin H2H.
Originally posted by zopzop
No Marvel wikia quoted word for word from the Handbook, I have the handbook myself.Without bolstering their strength by other means :
Odin class 70, Zeus class 90.
Zeus the human equivalent of a 30 year old man, Odin a geriatric.
Both adept at hand 2 hand
You do the math.
Here, here is the EXACT word for word and even picture of the Marvel Handbook entry on Zeus :
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/z/zeus.htmAlso
Unamped Zeus crushed Odin H2H.
Zeus unaged from 30 😆 Zeus has been show as a gray haired old man a few times and show me in a comic where Zeus could only lift 90 tons he has stomped Thor cold with no amp or you are doing is showing non-canon scans over and over again stop the trolling bs already
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Zeus unaged from 30 😆 Zeus has been show as a gray haired old man a few times and show me in a comic where Zeus could only lift 90 tons he has stomped Thor cold with no amp or you are doing is showing non-canon scans over and over again stop the trolling bs already
Speaking of trolls.....
The OFFICIAL HANDBOOKS have been consistent on this through the years. The OFFICIAL HANDBOOKS state :
Olympians DO NOT AGE after reaching the human equivalent of 30-33
Asgardians are not immortal like the Olympians and continue aging but slowly
UNAMPED Zeus is Class 90
UNAMPED Odin is Class 70
I'm done with you. It's right there in black and white.
Originally posted by zopzopTHe offical handbooks are non used on this SITE !!!!!!
Speaking of trolls.....The OFFICIAL HANDBOOKS have been consistent on this through the years. The OFFICIAL HANDBOOKS state :
Olympians DO NOT AGE after reaching the human equivalent of 30-33
Asgardians are not immortal like the Olympians and continue aging but slowly
UNAMPED Zeus is Class 90
UNAMPED Odin is Class 70
I'm done with you. It's right there in black and white.
Read the rules
No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.
A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
Originally posted by DarkOdin
THe offical handbooks are non used on this SITE !!!!!!Read the rules
No Non-canon Sources
Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character.A canon source is one that is regarded as being 'in continuity'. In the example of Star Trek; instances from the series and movies can be used, but books are definitely out. Comic book crossovers are usually unusable as they ignore common sense most of the time (DC vs. Marvel is certainly unusable in some cases in our debates!).
Again you can't hide behind the "rules". These are official stats from MARVEL, you know, the OWNERS/CREATORS of the characters! The stats for Zeus and Odin are UNCHANGED for at least a few decades. Do you understand this? This is how the editors/writers want them portrayed.
One of the questions the OP asked was who would win UNAMPED. According to Marvel's own handbooks, it's Zeus.
Originally posted by zopzop😆 Gotchya i have to cheat like you too win this debate 😆
Again you can't hide behind the "rules". These are official stats from MARVEL, you know, the OWNERS/CREATORS of the characters! The stats for Zeus and Odin are UNCHANGED for at least a few decades. Do you understand this? This is how the editors/writers want them portrayed.One of the questions the OP asked was who would win UNAMPED. According to Marvel's own handbooks, it's Zeus.