Originally posted by -Pr-
this:is all the answer i need, really.
I don't expect you to understand my points, but that's fine.
No I understand your point completely but again you are just talking and ignoring the point being made.
Cdtm addressed the point you didn't. He understands when somebody makes a point you adress it instead of just making statements. Saying 'no' doesn't prove anything.
Originally posted by Deadline
No I understand your point completely but again you are just talking and ignoring the point being made.Cdtm addressed the point you didn't. He understands when somebody makes a point you adress it instead of just making statements.
Just because I didn't adress it to your satisfaction doesn't mean I didn't adress it.
and cdtm is right, btw.
Originally posted by tkitna
True, its not just a beatdown, but Sentry will be guided by Osborn and as much stealth and smarts as Adam has, he aint Norman in that aspect.
I think people might be underestimating his intelligence he may not be as smart as Norman but he has a team of tacticians to back him up. The team that BA has is tactically superior to Normans
Originally posted by tkitna
Better than Bullseye, Hood, Scourge, Ghost, Daken, etc,,? I dont think so. Once again, I think you forget the telepaths that Normen has at his disposal too.
How are any of those members better than my team? What members of those teams have actually been able to be on the run from the whole of SHIELD and have managed to outsmart Captain America? Punisher has actually manged to outsmart The Hood and a team of meta-human assasins. I could go on. The only real threat is the Ghost and I have a member of my team who can control machines with his mind.
Oh yeah I just found out who Black Abbot is. He was a member of the Deadly Dozen. Punisher took them on and managed to escape on his own. That doesn't help your case at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Abbott_(comics)#cite_note-3
The Black Abbott was later among the seventeen criminals, all murdered by the Scourge, to be resurrected by Hood using the power of Dormammu as part of a squad assembled to eliminate the Punisher.[3] He battles the Punisher while posing as a member of the Avengers. He is badly injured when a bomb meant to kill the villains explodes; Letha orders Bird-Man to take him to safety.[4]
Yes I have the issue I just can't be arsed to scan it.
Originally posted by tkitna
I dont know what you want me to say. Do I need to list the hundred or so characters you've given Norman access to and list what issues they could cause the limited list you gave BA? Tell me what you want. I think you have it in your head that the 5 or so characters you've given Adam are just so superior to the 100 or so characters that norman has and that just isnt so.
You haven't provided any feats even one of the members that you mentioned was deafeated by Punisher on his own while fighting a group of other supervillains. I think I'm being reasonable. He also doesn't have access to 100 meta-humans but obvoulsy he has access to 1000s of Hammer members. Look what Wolverine did in EOTS he actually had the whole superhuman community shitting their pants and killed loads of metas. Yes one character with the right circumstances can take on 100s.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Just because I didn't adress it to your satisfaction doesn't mean I didn't adress it.
Ok I'm going to try to be as civil as possible and I'm going to make an effort to understand the point you are trying to make. So lets just start again. Well ok heres what you posted:
Originally posted by -Pr-
No, you couldn't. Adam is a smart man, but he isn't nearly as built for the kind of stealthy work that Osborne is. Wolverine is also completely different.
You obvoulsy think Norman is vastly more intelligent than BA and thats fine but what you posted was a statement, am I correct? If we are debating how does making a statement further a discussion? The only thing that it does is that it make clear what your opinion in the debate is. Thats fine but don't you then need to provide a further explanation as to why you think he's vastly superior? To be fair what you did is quote cdtm but i'll adress that post later on.
Also bare in mind that eventhough Norman was the boss in Dark Reign part of why he was in charge was due to luck. Apart from that what other tactical feats does he have? We know that hes a succesful business man and that takes alot of intelligence but running your own country takes more.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Adam? Ask others opinions? That's not exactly likely, and even if it was, Osborn still has better resources.
Ok I have responded to this already. BA was a member of the JSA and only left because he felt they were not ruthless enough, considering that most of my team are assassins that won't be a problem. I think this a fair point to make. Also as I stated before having better resources does not give you an automatic win. The Hood had better resources than the Punisher he failed to kill him. SHIELD has better resources than Wolverine they had a nightmare of a time tracking him down.
Originally posted by -Pr-
and cdtm is right, btw.
Of course he's right but does what happened on Oolong island take precedence over what happened in the JSA? Does one feat take precedence over another? I have not read 52 but I do know that at some point Isis was killed and he went bonkers and I suspect thats what happened there. If thats the case thats not a very good example.
Ok I tried.