Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Thats not the same guy lol that shingen however it spelled, he father of silver samurai. Ogun completely different animal. That fight dident, becuase that not Ogun.Notice how midnighters never replicated a feat that requires that amount of strength again? One time showings don't mean much on forums. Ogun done everything I mention on pannel. He doesent have the most showings in the world, but he an utter badass and uber tier fighter. He achieved everthing i said through MA training alone.
also what has zealot done to warrent her beating wolverine? Let alone being unhittable by him.
Ok now I'm on board, you proved me wrong, I have yet to read about Ogun, but if he was/is as bad as you say he is, and Wolverine took him, he should take Zealot. You did say that Wolverine beat him right? Also how is Wolverines temple area lined with adamantium? There is no bone in that location, just skin over brain mass.
Originally posted by Stoic
Ok now I'm on board, you proved me wrong, I have yet to read about Ogun, but if he was/is as bad as you say he is, and Wolverine took him, he should take Zealot. You did say that Wolverine beat him right? Also how is Wolverines temple area lined with adamantium? There is no bone in that location, just skin over brain mass.
Though thats not the reason why I think he wins. Zealot simply not faster, or stronger then wolverine nor more skilled. Sooner or later she gunna get tagged in it gunna slow he down, while wolverien can take what she dishes out in stride.
There deffiently bone, I just looked at a human skull.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yea Wolverine did beat him.Though thats not the reason why I think he wins. Zealot simply not faster, or stronger then wolverine nor more skilled. Sooner or later she gunna get tagged in it gunna slow he down, while wolverien can take what she dishes out in stride.
There deffiently bone, I just looked at a human skull.
Bone in the temple area? You mean the soft fleshly part of the head right? the side of the head, not the front, top, or back. The temple area on most humans would lie directly beside the ears.
Originally posted by Stoic
Bone in the temple area? You mean the soft fleshly part of the head right? the side of the head, not the front, top, or back. The temple area on most humans would lie directly beside the ears.
Look it all bone. If your talking about the ear open, that heads down wards, it be impossible to get a sword through there to the brain.
Well you got me, if Wolverine like I said before cleaned house with Ogun he would likely beat Zealot. You know what, I'm examining my skull, and you would never know without a picture of a real skull that there was bone there. 😂 That HF of his, makes it look pretty bad for Z in this fight. Marvel created a street level destroyer when they created him, and it's left me saying Porky Pigs famous last words. 😮 😄 😂
Originally posted by Stoic
Well you got me, if Wolverine like I said before cleaned house with Ogun he would likely beat Zealot. You know what, I'm examining my skull, and you would never know without a picture of a real skull that there was bone there. 😂 That HF of his, makes it look pretty bad for Z in this fight. Marvel created a street level destroyer when they created him, and it's left me saying Porky Pigs famous last words. 😮 😄 😂
yea that why he low meta (though so would zealot be low meta), but yea wolverine pretty much gets pretty solid majority against any melee combatant, as long as they down have equal or greater healing factor with vastly superior strength. Or if they ahve vastly great strength and speed.
I'd say Zealot was a low meta, but if you factor in her mystical abilities she'd probably top off at high meta. Wolverine's skeletal strength alone places him physically above med meta, and add the HF, and he probably stands to be a counted as a high meta. I guess it depends on how we look at it, add his Berserker rage to the mix, and I can see him killing a few characters that are herald level.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'd say Zealot was a low meta, but if you factor in her mystical abilities she'd probably top off at high meta. Wolverine's skeletal strength alone places him physically above med meta, and add the HF, and he probably stands to be a counted as a high meta. I guess it depends on how we look at it, add his Berserker rage to the mix, and I can see him killing a few characters that are herald level.
yea but this sight deffinition is differently. On the sight Wolverine on a low meta. Though i see what you mean. He can take on people in high meta like Thing and so forth. Thing is people don't really register defenses reactive abilities like healing factor much was concerning power levels, nor does he claws count for anything dispite the fact in melee they are extremely effective against even some of the most durable individuals.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
really, why?yea but this sight deffinition is differently. On the sight Wolverine on a low meta. Though i see what you mean. He can take on people in high meta like Thing and so forth. Thing is people don't really register defenses reactive abilities like healing factor much was concerning power levels, nor does he claws count for anything dispite the fact in melee they are extremely effective against even some of the most durable individuals.
of course his claws count, what would he be striking with it they weren't? Air? If he didn't have them, then i would agree with the low meta assessment, but the claws and general skeletal strength, add a dynamic twist to Wolverine. When you factor in the HF, putting him down would be a hell of a chore.
You meant why would i place Zealot at top meta? Her mystical abilities make her more than just an avarage martials art grand master. Look at Dr. Strange, she's not on his level, but if you take into account what he could do with those powers he can range from high herald to perhaps low sky father. Physicaly though, he's just a meat wrapper.
Originally posted by Stoic
of course his claws count, what would he be striking with it they weren't? Air? If he didn't have them, then i would agree with the low meta assessment, but the claws and general skeletal strength, add a dynamic twist to Wolverine. When you factor in the HF, putting him down would be a hell of a chore.You meant why would i place Zealot at top meta? Her mystical abilities make her more than just an avarage martials art grand master. Look at Dr. Strange, she's not on his level, but if you take into account what he could do with those powers he can range from high herald to perhaps low sky father. Physicaly though, he's just a meat wrapper.
yes. But what are these abilities? Yes, but clearly her abilities arnt near that level. I mean techincally the same could be said of elektra, she uses dark martial arts which grant her reiduclous abilitys, creating illiusion, amping her states to superhuman levels, making her ahnd so durable that a bullet bounced off it ect. Then you have people like stick who create his own radar senses there dark martial arts and achieve a level of immportality through re carnation.
But I know what you mean, but the tier system is messed, I tried to have some one explain what there looking for but no one could give a deffient answer. I could not get Omega Red to high meta, dispite that he defeated colossus pretty easily 3 times, one of the times he had wolverien with him, the other time a team. Omega red recks teams has vast superhuman strength, durability, wolverine level healing factor, pheramones which could take out several individuals in high tier before a fight even started, then he also has detah factor which if he touches pretty much anyone, even thoses with high level healing factors he drains them. But still I couldent get him raised, there far to much bias in it. Dispite the fact he beat on colossus three times people still could no except the fact he superior.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
People tend not to acknowledge them. people only seem to acknolwedge powerful offensive ability and strength. Wolverine adamatium seems not to be factor in becuase it not his power, but enhancement. Though there more then willing to allow other weapons to be factor in. Logan claws are almost completely ignored with his placement, and his healing factor is though adressed, it not factor in as highly as strength that he pretty comparable too. I agree, he also posses one of the ultimate melee weapons that can damage to most durable individual, but yet it does not matter in the placement for some reasonyes. But what are these abilities? Yes, but clearly her abilities arnt near that level. I mean techincally the same could be said of elektra, she uses dark martial arts which grant her reiduclous abilitys, creating illiusion, amping her states to superhuman levels, making her ahnd so durable that a bullet bounced off it ect. Then you have people like stick who create his own radar senses there dark martial arts and achieve a level of immportality through re carnation.
But I know what you mean, but the tier system is messed, I tried to have some one explain what there looking for but no one could give a deffient answer. I could not get Omega Red to high meta, dispite that he defeated colossus pretty easily 3 times, one of the times he had wolverien with him, the other time a team. Omega red recks teams has vast superhuman strength, durability, wolverine level healing factor, pheramones which could take out several individuals in high tier before a fight even started, then he also has detah factor which if he touches pretty much anyone, even thoses with high level healing factors he drains them. But still I couldent get him raised, there far to much bias in it. Dispite the fact he beat on colossus three times people still could no except the fact he superior.
I know, look at Tyrant's tier placement, and yet he was able to bring a fed Galactus to his knees, and this happened when he was in a depowered state. Oh well, no system is perfect friend.
Originally posted by Stoic
I know, look at Tyrant's tier placement, and yet he was able to bring a fed Galactus to his knees, and this happened when he was in a depowered state. Oh well, no system is perfect friend.
I'd like to point out that Zealot doesn't have many feats with her magic, so I don't see why people are so caught up in it. She was afraid she'd be consumed by the power if she tapped into it.
It doesn't even matter now since she gave the magic up.
I agree with the statements about Wolverine. He's obviously not unbeatable, but the healing factor makes him one of the best melee characters among his peers; realisticly, he'll beat most meta level melee characters. Many people don't like him or feel he is "overpowered", so they undercut him in vs threads.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I'd like to point out that Zealot doesn't have many feats with her magic, so I don't see why people are so caught up in it. She was afraid she'd be consumed by the power if she tapped into it.It doesn't even matter now since she gave the magic up.
I agree with the statements about Wolverine. He's obviously not unbeatable, but the healing factor makes him one of the best melee characters among his peers; realisticly, he'll beat most meta level melee characters. Many people don't like him or feel he is "overpowered", so they undercut him in vs threads.
