Originally posted by -Pr-
^ stuff like that is exactly why i want to see it.to do away with all the ignorance.
he'd beat cyclops, imo.
How good are you trying to say? I mean if he got it in there with someone like steve rogers he get dominated.
Beucase cyclope would seem to be a good fight for superman.
Originally posted by Starscream M
um hell no...cyke has had far more training than superman it wouldn't even be fair
superman has better feats.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
How good are you trying to say? I mean if he got it in there with someone like steve rogers he get dominated.Beucase cyclope would seem to be a good fight for superman.
decent, as in low to mid range. someone who is obviously skilled at martial arts, but isn't exactly batman either.
Originally posted by Starscream MClark knows how to fight as well. ok yeah wolverine has a better shot at winning cause he is used to fighting using basic combat skills and superman relies mostly on his powers.
are you on crack? Logan would wtfpwn a powerless clark.
So yeah i can see wolverine winning
Batman vs Wolverine would be the shit H2H No healing No adamantium skeleton no claws none of that just pure H2H
Originally posted by chomperx9
Clark knows how to fight as well. ok yeah wolverine has a better shot at winning cause he is used to fighting using basic combat skills and superman relies mostly on his powers.So yeah i can see wolverine winning
Batman vs Wolverine would be the shit H2H No healing No adamantium skeleton no claws none of that just pure H2H
now that would be a good match up.
Originally posted by -Pr-honestly, I feel like that is more due to DC's stance of hugely underwriting heralds and such when they face streets (ie Batman vs grundy/Darkseid, or Deathstroke vs Flash/Teen Titans). In DC, when street leveler faces off against a much more powerful foe, it seems DC generally underwrites the meta a great deal to compensate.
Using skill against Mongul, Doomsday, Various Kryptonians, Wonder Woman etc.
tbh, I'd be more impressed if a depowered clark fared well against Deathstroke, green arrow, or a street as opposed to a highpowered meta where PIS abound
Originally posted by Starscream M
honestly, I feel like that is more due to DC's stance of hugely underwriting heralds and such when they face streets (ie Batman vs grundy/Darkseid, or Deathstroke vs Flash/Teen Titans). In DC, when street leveler faces off against a much more powerful foe, it seems DC generally underwrites the meta a great deal to compensate.tbh, I'd be more impressed if a depowered clark fared well against Deathstroke, green arrow, or a street as opposed to a highpowered meta where PIS abound
how is that relevant?
i'm talking about heralds vs heralds.
wait. you think i was sayiing that a powerless superman took on those guys? no, he didn't.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugannot even that...logan's HF and adamantium gives him waaay too much of an unfair advantage
There on completely two different levels. Wolverine is consider master of pretty much every style on the planet. There a huge differences between him and superman when it comes to h2h training and knowledge.
Originally posted by -Pr-yeah...misunderstood you (I mean, of course regular superman has better feats than cyke...I had thought you meant depowered supes has better feats. And going by that logic, regular supes has better feats than batman too...does that mean depowered superman beats batman?)
how is that relevant?i'm talking about heralds vs heralds.
wait. you think i was sayiing that a powerless superman took on those guys? no, he didn't.
why would his showings as Superman have any impact on his ability as a depowered human?
the fighting style couldn't be more different. If anything, his success as Superman would actually be a liability to him as a depowered Clark as it's hard to erase muscle memory and he'd be so accustomed to fighting as a flying invincible brick that it'd take his focus to fight as a vulnerable mortal.
Originally posted by Starscream M
yeah...misunderstood you (I mean, of course regular superman has better feats than cyke...I had thought you meant depowered supes has better feats. And going by that logic, regular supes has better feats than batman too...does that mean depowered superman beats batman?)why would his showings as Superman have any impact on his ability as a depowered human?
the fighting style couldn't be more different. If anything, his success as Superman would actually be a liability to him as a depowered Clark as it's hard to erase muscle memory and he'd be so accustomed to fighting as a flying invincible brick that it'd take his focus to fight as a vulnerable mortal.
superman has better combat skill feats than cyclops, powered or not.
because people for some reason argue that his powers augment his skill to the degree that his skill is negligible.
except that no, clark has actually fought depowered more than once. he's used to it more than most characters would be in his position.