Did Kishimoto create Sasuke to be hated by the fans and audience?

Originally posted by Q99
I don't think you understanding how plotting works.

What he's done with Sasuke is far, far from inconsistent or undeveloped, and while he's changed the plan with him, that doesn't mean he doesn't put a new plan in it's place. Quite the opposite, it's clear that he does.

Sas definitely has emotions and motivations other than revenge too, but seeing them washed beneath the hatred and subsumed is one of the big things meant to cause a reaction in the fans.

Sasuke's purpose is to be a pawn to everyone and learn that Naruto is better than him in every way. His motivations are fueled by a lingering emotional response that he's the best there is and his clan are gods.

That is something I call " shoehorning" a character when he's down. And Kishimoto expresses how he doesn't favor Sasuke as much as other characters, he is getting more attention to up the stakes for Naruto's character and it's all the editors string pulling.

Sasuke has nothing but angst and arrogance about him, he's a one demensional symbol and plot device, no character what so ever. Of course Kishimoto says we're not supposed to relate to Sasuke, we're supposed to relate to Naruto.

I think he's aware that Sasuke is pissing people off, he's not ignorant of his fans. Thats why people praised the Naruto vs. Pain arc more than the Sasuke vs. Itachi arc.

Originally posted by Q99
Out of just Naruto characters I think it's probably right. After all, consider the competition, pretty much just Orochimaru and Madara. Oro's been dead for awhile, and Madara hasn't had as much time to build hatred.

Well, and people who hate the other main characters like Naruto and Sakura.

Sasuke has nothing but angst and arrogance about him, he's a one demensional symbol and plot device, no character what so ever. Of course Kishimoto says we're not supposed to relate to Sasuke, we're supposed to relate to Naruto.

Go read Naruto again- especially the beginning, becuase you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally posted by killermover

Sasuke has nothing but angst and arrogance about him, he's a one demensional symbol and plot device, no character what so ever. Of course Kishimoto says we're not supposed to relate to Sasuke, we're supposed to relate to Naruto.

And his growing more attached to Team 7 and later Hebi, only to push them away? His confusion when confronted with Naruto's unwillingness to give up? His transition from emotionless under Orochmaru to rage-crazed and barely able to keep himself together under Madara?

There's more to him than you admit. Granted, it's all meant to piss you off, but there's facets there.

I think he's aware that Sasuke is pissing people off, he's not ignorant of his fans. Thats why people praised the Naruto vs. Pain arc more than the Sasuke vs. Itachi arc.

Also? Because it's totally purposeful, which I don't think you get.

The Sasuke/Itachi fight was pretty awesome, though....

You've pushed this idea of "Kishimoto hates Sasuke/doesn't think him through," before, and no one agrees with it.

The writing process simply isn't that simple, a last minute/haphazard/etc. character would not turn out like Sasuke, there's too much visible planning.

You're externalizing your own dislike of him and projecting it onto Kishimoto's motives.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Umbridge shits on him in that regard imo.

Aizen >

Originally posted by killermover
Sasuke is the most hated character in Japan and the world.

You have data to back this up?
Not that it would matter anyway, seeing as a 'hated' poll is worth about as much as a character popularity poll.

Originally posted by killermover
Sasuke haters have explained why Sasuke is one of the most poorly written character in the manga and the quality of the manga is dropping because of him.

You make it seem as if their logic is superb when it likely is not.
If anyone is a poorly written character in Naruto, it is Hinata. She has absolutely no place in the Naruto verse.
The same would almost apply to (current) Sakura. Her development has been reduced to a secondary character status, and her relevance in the plot right now is barely significant.

Originally posted by killermover
Kishimoto created Sasuke off the spur of the moment because his editors suggested him a rival for naruto. Sasuke is a editors play thing for the manga.

Completely irrelevant. Kishimoto did not plan out every single detail for Naruto's development before he began writing. He has obviously come up with ideas for Naruto in the midst of the actual run.
Even if Sasuke was created in the spur of the moment (which I doubt), he as a character had been incorporated far too well into the plot (reason for my doubt). He's also the second most important character in the story, and no amount of whining from you or the haters is going to change that.

Originally posted by killermover
Sasuke has nothing but angst and arrogance about him, he's a one demensional symbol and plot device, no character what so ever. Of course Kishimoto says we're not supposed to relate to Sasuke, we're supposed to relate to Naruto.

A one-dimensional character in Naruto would be Hinata (before her fight with Neji). Current Hinata is also a one-dimensional character, seeing as she has barely had any development to speak of. Any version of Sasuke is far more complex than those versions of Hinata.
The one time Hinata had any development in P2 was an actual plot device, seeing as how she was what brought about Naruto's most significant transformation into the Kyuubi.

Another one-dimensional character would be Hidan. If he weren't such an annoying badass and the dude who killed one of the most awesome characters in Naruto, I'd see him (as a character) to be a waste of time.

I've disliked Sasuke because he beat characters I liked. I've disliked Sasuke because of things he actually DID in the manga. I've never disliked him because I felt like he was poorly written.

I.E., hate the character but like the characterization.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If anyone is a poorly written character in Naruto, it is Hinata. She has absolutely no place in the Naruto verse.

Shut up.

Originally posted by Q99
You've pushed this idea of "Kishimoto hates Sasuke/doesn't think him through," before, and no one agrees with it.

The writing process simply isn't that simple, a last minute/haphazard/etc. character would not turn out like Sasuke, there's too much visible planning.

You're externalizing your own dislike of him and projecting it onto Kishimoto's motives.

Your misinterpeting Kishimoto's perspective and priorites. The editors made Kishimoto make a rival, and the editors own Kishimoto. Sasuke being at the centerfold of the manga now is something the editors made Kishi do. Most of the plot is about Naruto reguardless, Kishimoto just filled in blanks with Sasuke so Naruto's story can be insightful and longer.

Editors planned for Hebi to. Kishimoto planed for Hebi to die. But Sasuke needed characters to make his focus seem less boring.

And no you're substancial opinions don't mean jack since I already refuted them.

How do you seem to know everything that Kishi thinks, plans to do, or wanted to do?

Originally posted by killermover
Except Kishi said the ideal rival was supposed to be someone opposing the main lead with little humanity or lack of character.

Your misinterpeting Kishimoto's perspective and priorites. The editors made Kishimoto make a rival, and the editors own Kishimoto. Sasuke being at the centerfold of the manga now is something the editors made Kishi do. Most of the plot is about Naruto reguardless, Kishimoto just filled in blanks with Sasuke so Naruto's story can be insightful and longer.

Editors planned for Hebi to. Kishimoto planed for Hebi to die. But Sasuke needed characters to make his focus seem less boring.

And no you're substancial opinions don't mean jack since I already refuted them.

Source of Kishi saying this? Because lack of character doesn't really fit Sasuke. And the kid is more human than Naruto, the walking talking rainbow bridge of Hope and Goodness.

Editors offered a suggestion(a good one at that) so they own Kishi? lol realize for the last time that the manga is called Naruto. Of course it's going to be about Naruto and how he changes people and such. Doesn't dismiss the effort that goes into giving Sasuke his own story.

Proof that the editors planned for Hebi and that Kishi resented their presence? Or just another opinion?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hey now.

Shut up.

Good boobs =/= Good character.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Good boobs =/= Good character.

So shut up.

I would agree that Kishimoto is a gigantic ****** who might as well kill her off because he's too much of a ****ing loser to do anything with her, but her actual character? I like it.

The premise for Hinata's character isn't a bad one. She's just not shown enough to be expanded upon as a character. Exploring more of her family issues would have helped this but we never get that. So at the moment, she's still just considered the Naruto obsessed shy yet determined young girl. Which is not as bad as it could be.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I liked Hinata before she really had boobs.

So shut up.

I would agree that Kishimoto is a gigantic ****** who might as well kill her off because he's too much of a ****ing loser to do anything with her, but her actual character? I like it.

Twas a joke. I liked her too... before the dark times. Before The Fanboy.

Also, theres a decent fanfiction where Naruto joins team 8 instead of Kiba. Hinata's pretty good in it.

Does she end up getting railed by Gamabunta? I think I read that one.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hey now.

Shut up.

She's interested in Naruto. uhuh

I wish she were a Tsundere.

If he did then I would dissapoint him xD. Sasuke is my favorite
character in all of naruto ._. I've always loved him lmfao xD.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Does she end up getting railed by Gamabunta? I think I read that one.