Originally posted by Prep-Man
PIS or not, it has happened. Can't deny it or dismiss it, because you don't like it.
by that logic, Spiderman has KOed Firelord thus he is able to deal with Heralds.
I could bring forth thousands examples but I'm sure you get what I mean.
TP and TK grodd wins. without them I don't see him beating Danny
Originally posted by Warlord
by that logic, Spiderman has KOed Firelord thus he is able to deal with Heralds.I could bring forth thousands examples but I'm sure you get what I mean.
TP and TK grodd wins. without them I don't see him beating Danny
1. OP only took away his TP, he still has his TK
2. hes a lot stronger than Iron Fist even if we go by his low end feats, Grodd is still strong enough to fight people who give Superman a go every now and then.
3. nice ad hominem, I imagine Spider-man fights firelord everyday so him beating him must obviously be considered a common occurrence and not an outlier.
Iron Fist gets stomped
Originally posted by SasuOnaHis senses are better but his radar sense isn't better as it isn't precog, he does rely on it more though. Otherwise you're right.
Gorilla Grodd takes this easily. People seriously need to stop overstating IF hes like a glass canon honestly.Thats not true at all but I imagine your just using hyperbole to hype your statements. Daredevil has only 1 advantage over Spider-man and thats his radar sense being above Spider-man's spider-sense.
Every time they fight its noted that Spider-man is stronger than him and hes usually holding back, or Daredevil isn't going all out. Daredevil has never really beaten Spider-man clean IIRC.
Originally posted by Warlord
by that logic, Spiderman has KOed Firelord thus he is able to deal with Heralds.I could bring forth thousands examples but I'm sure you get what I mean.
TP and TK grodd wins. without them I don't see him beating Danny
Grodd tagging Flash isn't SvFL. It's PIS and CIP on Flash's part, though not all the time.
Originally posted by Warlord
SvFL, CIP?
SvFL = Spider-Man vs Firelord
CIP = Like CIS, but in more detail:
Originally posted by Raoul
[B]Clarification of CISOk people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.
PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.
CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.
While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.
This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.
As Bada said:
"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."
What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.
In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:
The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience
Those four are key.
Example:
If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.
MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.
However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.
Examples:
Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.
Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.
It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET. [/B]