Originally posted by zopzopGalactus destroyed at least 3 star systems while being almost completely drained in Annihilation.
Let's recap so even you understand :Galactus - TPed a galaxy once and never did anything remotely approaching that feat ever again
Odin - shook the multiverse once, busted galaxies, and ignited stars in his various fights more than once (you can even check his respect threads on this forum)
In fact, why don't we compare the various respect threads, both Galactus and Odin have them and we'll see who's more impressive.
He destroyed galaxies when he fought Tyrant.
Originally posted by Mindset
Galactus destroyed at least 3 star systems while being almost completely drained in Annihilation.He destroyed galaxies when he fought Tyrant.
I knew someone was going to bring that up.
Point one - define "star system" so we can compare it to a galaxy in size and scope
Point two - Thanos brought that up but we saw no proof on panel. To further my point, when DP Tyrant punked Galactus the first time he appeared in the Silver Surfer issue, Surfer asked Galactus why he allowed Tryant to have his way (ie keep Morg who Galactus specifically came to save). Galactus answered a war between them would wreck the universe or something to that affect.
Well, they did wind up fighting, Tyrant vs Galactus, and nothing was wrecked. Not the universe, not the galaxy the fight too place in, not the solar system, not even Galactus' ship was wrecked. It was damaged but not wrecked.
So I'm more than a little skeptical.
Originally posted by zopzop
I knew someone was going to bring that up.Point one - define "star system" so we can compare it to a galaxy in size and scope
Point two - Thanos brought that up but we saw no proof on panel. To further my point, when DP Tyrant punked Galactus the first time he appeared in the Silver Surfer issue, Surfer asked Galactus why he allowed Tryant to have his way (ie keep Morg who Galactus specifically came to save). Galactus answered a war between them would wreck the universe or something to that affect.
Well, they did wind up fighting, Tyrant vs Galactus, and nothing was wrecked. Not the universe, not the galaxy the fight too place in, not the solar system, not even Galactus' ship was wrecked. It was damaged but not wrecked.
So I'm more than a little skeptical.
As I pointed out to you in a previous thread, the fight between Depowered Tyrant and Galactus was poorly written and full of PIS; Galactus created Tyrant, encountered him during the Herald Ordeal, but still "forgot" (to this day I cant believe the writer of that comic came up with this magnitude of PIS) Tyrants powerset...
So again...Depowered Tyrant vs Galactus was 10000% PIS.
Hmm interesting discussion, but Zopzop if Galactus feat of teleporting a galaxu is rendered invalid in your optic because of the time passed, then what relevance do the God Blast a much older feat have in this discussion?
And sure we can look at Thanos (acting as narrator) and say he is wrong because the power mentioned (destruction of Galaxies) was never shown onpanel, however neither was the ripping in the fabric of the Multiverse or destroying long dead galaxies and reigniting dead suns, what we see if Spiderman spidersense going off, yet no damage is done to earth, kinda like when Galactus fought and defeated the Sphinx, same with Galactus and Tyrant, recall that the only battle (the one that actually causes large scale Collateral damage) is done by Energy Blasts etc, not physical attacks which is what the battle between Galactus and Tyrant quickly involved into. If we however in that context look to Galactus we will see Galactus in his fight with Agamotto really causing sever damage across the multiple dimensions laying around Agamottos own, (which I believe you mentioned in another Thread was a Universe) we know this because Oshtur and Hoggoth arrived because the damage was striking them aswell. None arrived to Odin and Seth and theirs was energy blasts aswell.
In all the different encounters we have a common taint, the collateral damage isn't shown and it's Narrated, what is then the primary difference? Imo it's that the other showing we have of Odin doing universal wide damage, was retconned, while none of Galactus different statements and feats so far have been retconned. But then again if we include both sides disregarding what have been retconned the only option is to look at a incident where their power have been used either against each other or against the same foe. I dislike the Thanos example, but I think the battle between Doom with Galactus power and Odin is quite telling for the powerlevel between the atm.
But then again I believe this discussion about statements and actually shown feats have run before.
With that said, from my part, no further derail from my part 🙂
Galactus wins against the silver surfer, because of his own statement and also because Galactus have shown that he can immobilise the Silver Surfer with a gesture, he did the same to Nova, and he wiped the floor with Terrax while weak, and he also leveled a entire city with a single telepathic bolt forcing Terrax to his knees, the Silver Surfer won't take many of those.
Edit: Gah more text then intended.
Originally posted by zopzopit wasnt amnesia. the egyption gods made him think he was an egyption skyfather ,odin still had his full power.
Is it really? Odin has "shaken the multiverse, made galaxies tremble, and ignited long dead stars" in his fight with Seth. This wasn't even Odin at full power. He was recovering from amnesia and his full powers weren't available to him.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Hmm interesting discussion, but Zopzop if Galactus feat of teleporting a galaxu is rendered invalid in your optic because of the time passed, then what relevance do the God Blast a much older feat have in this discussion?And sure we can look at Thanos (acting as narrator) and say he is wrong because the power mentioned (destruction of Galaxies) was never shown onpanel, however neither was the ripping in the fabric of the Multiverse or destroying long dead galaxies and reigniting dead suns, what we see if Spiderman spidersense going off, yet no damage is done to earth, kinda like when Galactus fought and defeated the Sphinx, same with Galactus and Tyrant, recall that the only battle (the one that actually causes large scale Collateral damage) is done by Energy Blasts etc, not physical attacks which is what the battle between Galactus and Tyrant quickly involved into. If we however in that context look to Galactus we will see Galactus in his fight with Agamotto really causing sever damage across the multiple dimensions laying around Agamottos own, (which I believe you mentioned in another Thread was a Universe) we know this because Oshtur and Hoggoth arrived because the damage was striking them aswell. None arrived to Odin and Seth and theirs was energy blasts aswell.
In all the different encounters we have a common taint, the collateral damage isn't shown and it's Narrated, what is then the primary difference? Imo it's that the other showing we have of Odin doing universal wide damage, was retconned, while none of Galactus different statements and feats so far have been retconned. But then again if we include both sides disregarding what have been retconned the only option is to look at a incident where their power have been used either against each other or against the same foe. I dislike the Thanos example, but I think the battle between Doom with Galactus power and Odin is quite telling for the powerlevel between the atm.
But then again I believe this discussion about statements and actually shown feats have run before.
With that said, from my part, no further derail from my part 🙂
Galactus wins against the silver surfer, because of his own statement and also because Galactus have shown that he can immobilise the Silver Surfer with a gesture, he did the same to Nova, and he wiped the floor with Terrax while weak, and he also leveled a entire city with a single telepathic bolt forcing Terrax to his knees, the Silver Surfer won't take many of those.
Edit: Gah more text then intended.
It's not just the age of the feat, it's has he done anything similar in scope and magnitude before or since?
IMHO Galactus should be leagues of power above any Terran deity (even the Elder Gods). But Marvel has shown Odin doing things that would make Galactus blush.
If you check my post history, I tried to deny it at first. I was arguing that the narrator was using hyperbole in the Odin/Seth fight and that none of the higher ups in the cosmic scheme of things took notice of it. But then the poster I was arguing against showed scans of Odin busting galaxies before this incident. He showed that even Surtur was capable of galaxy level destruction on his own (and Odin beat Surtur).
That got me thinking and now I'm totally confused. That's why I'm skeptical if I don't see the feat on panel or that it's confirmed by beings who are sufficiently omniscient.
Originally posted by zopzop
It's not just the age of the feat, it's has he done anything similar in scope and magnitude before or since?IMHO Galactus should be leagues of power above any Terran deity (even the Elder Gods). But Marvel has shown Odin doing things that would make Galactus blush.
If you check my post history, I tried to deny it at first. I was arguing that the narrator was using hyperbole in the Odin/Seth fight and that none of the higher ups in the cosmic scheme of things took notice of it. But then the poster I was arguing against showed scans of Odin busting galaxies before this incident. He showed that even Surtur was capable of galaxy level destruction on his own (and Odin beat Surtur).
That got me thinking and now I'm totally confused. That's why I'm skeptical if I don't see the feat on panel or that it's confirmed by beings who are sufficiently omniscient.
Teleporting Taa II the greatest energy source (according to Reed) in the universe is imo vastly superior to teleporting a Galaxy. But then again the Surfer have never showed the ability to work with the energies of a Godblast, and the Godblast have to put it mildly have lived a rather inconsistent life, Doesn't hurt Arishem but can breaks Exitar's outer Armor, can hurt and drive of Galactus but Juggarnaut laughs it off... I think no further examples are needed.
I'm sorry but I can't agree with you on that, what have Odin done that would make Galactus blush?
I have checked you post history, and the poster your argued amongst others was me, however what was pointed out to you, as I recall, in the Infinity Incident, a Silver Age Feat that have been changed into Odin and his Evil Side tapping into the power of Infinity in order to perform the feats shown, atleast that is the impression given to me by the handbook, but it's a bit shady, but suffice to say that Odin's feat in the given comic was changed simply because it placed him at a level where half his powerlevel was enough to destroy the universe and thereby alone be a threat and potential enemy to Eternity. That could maybe have flown if it wasn't for Odin in other comics, in instances less sever, having asked the different leaders of the other myth Pantheons to assist him, who according to Marvel Appendix was equal to Odin. A Problem then very, very quickly emerge won't you agree? My first question would ofcause be: Then what are the abstracts doing in the universe?
And yes Surtur while Forging Twilight destroyed a Galaxy, a amped version of Surtur that Odin then defeated (at full power), so the case actually is that Odin now doesn't have a feat that comes near what Galactus on his dead bed managed to accomplish. (If you read the scan in a manner similar to ODG, it's from my point of view a matter of interpretation) but Odin atm also lacks anything that comes near having the power to destroy two universes. (annihilation Issue 5 iirc)
Skepticisme is a natural developing concept when you are on KMC, you meet people that have entirely different views on feats, characters, statements, narratations, plot devices etc. Your recent discussion with WhiteWitchKing have proved just how different you analyse the comics infront of you, and therefore you are ofcause skeptical to the others analysis of the incident. (Find OMG and GS discussion concerning "Here comes Tomorrow" in IG vs Phoenix of the white Crown I believe it was, and have a interesting read to observe a excellent example of two posters, that have the exact same material but are drawing two entirely different conclusions). I personally when looking on any character try at best to pull the characters history into the given context (maybe it's because I'm very interested in History and studies it and therefore like to draw lines) and from that draw a conclusion, it's difficult and I'm skeptical, but I've learned that when a character is doing something that have never been hinted within his powerset and only doing so once it doesn't feels plausible. Therefore I was also skeptical at Galactus breaking five cosmic cubes until I saw 1. Kubik mentioning Galactus as one of the greater powers far above him 2. Read that Doom with the power of the Cosmic Cube still considered his power infinite small in comparison to Galactus own. Those two incidents coupled with numerous statements made me believe that it was a feat within Galactus capacity, it went a bit to effortless on panel though, but it's still a feat that can be looked on as having the "backing". What is needed and will come by itself, atleast in my opinion, is the ability to distinct whether the feat/statement or whatever, falls within the characters history so far, or if it is entirely misplaced. Thanos battleling against Odin is such a example imo of a entirely misplaced showing. Another thing is move a bit away from Collateral damage, sure it's nice but Dragon Ball is a perfect (again imo) how Collateral Damage can't speak for the actual powerlevel of the character. You ofcause also have to trust the Character in question, I for instance won't trust what Loki tells me nor Cell for that matter (to stay in the Dragon Ball terminology) but I'll trust what Reed tells me, I'll have finger on the puls of Doom, same with Thanos but I will believe what they tells me, IF it's in consistancy with the mentioned characters history.
Edit: 😱 another wall of text, need to stop this.