yeah lol, but last I checked guys like Galactus, Magus, Sentry et al are not part of Doom's "rogues" gallery, nor does he have the misfortune of having to deal with those level of threats with any regularity, those are rare one off events. Further it is obvious who is the more vulnerable of the two all things considered,
Between Detective Comics, Batman, Superman/Batman, JLA and those major event crisis Batman just experiences more danger than Doom. That's not a knock on Doom, it's just the reality of the situation.
Originally posted by AllanklesDoom outclasses batman. Batman also has the benefit of having the jla have his back.
Doesn't Batman do the same thing as a hero in big crisis events? Stand up to foes that can disintergrate him in a moment?On top of that Batman is vulnerable to damn near anything in his costant war against crime.
Originally posted by AllanklesBeyonder, twice. Galactus, twice. Watchers, three times. Celestials on Counter-Earth. Akhenten w/THOTU. Thanos w/IG. Magus w/CCUs. Mephisto, every single year, until he defeated him. Overmind. Marquis of Death. Nightmare's army of all Earth mages. Two different Sorcerer Supremes. Every Earth hero team. Several actual Gods. Several Hulks. A Herald. Several Omega-class mutants. Also: Luke Cage.
yeah lol, but last I checked guys like Galactus, Magus, Sentry et al are not part of Doom's "rogues" gallery, nor does he have the misfortune of having to deal with those level of threats with any regularity, those are rare one off events. Further it is obvious who is the more vulnerable of the two all things considered,Between Detective Comics, Batman, Superman/Batman, JLA and those major event crisis Batman just experiences more danger than Doom. That's not a knock on Doom, it's just the reality of the situation.
Doom is not afraid to fight without his armor or resources. It's exactly what he did when he confronted Reed who had taken over Latveria. It's exactly what he did when he fought in the contest for the Sorcerer Supreme title.
Batman fights White Martians with fire. Batman fights Superman with Kryptonite. Batman fights ALE Darkseid with Radion. Batman doesn't just use plot-device weaknesses, he also gets kids involved and uses them to help him. One boy: killed. One girl: killed. Another boy: his only parent killed. Another girl: shot through the spine and paralyzed. Another boy: likely molested, who has now taken in another boy, who just got captured by the Joker.
Batman: you're the best.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Beyonder, twice. Galactus, twice. Watchers, three times. Celestials on Counter-Earth. Akhenten w/THOTU. Thanos w/IG. Magus w/CCUs. Mephisto, every single year, until he defeated him. Overmind. Marquis of Death. Nightmare's army of all Earth mages. Two different Sorcerer Supremes. Every Earth hero team. Several actual Gods. Several Hulks. A Herald. Several Omega-class mutants. Also: Luke Cage.Doom is not afraid to fight without his armor or resources. It's exactly what he did when he confronted Reed who had taken over Latveria. It's exactly what he did when he fought in the contest for the Sorcerer Supreme title.
Batman fights White Martians with fire. Batman fights Superman with Kryptonite. Batman fights ALE Darkseid with Radion. Batman doesn't just use plot-device weaknesses, he also gets kids involved and uses them to help him. One boy: killed. One girl: killed. Another boy: his only parent killed. Another girl: shot through the spine and paralyzed. Another boy: likely molested, who has now taken in another boy, who just got captured by the Joker.
Batman: you're the best.
How many are those? 20 or so incedencents you've listed over 4+ decades, how many more times does Batman face foes who outclass him physically? The PIS elements against those foes don't change the fact that he's literally always a second away from being dead.
As for his emotional baggage, I did mention that it'll make him vulnerable to the torture he'll face, but it is that same vulnerability that makes him endurable.
Unlike the other guys in this thread he's the one that will cope best with having his entire ego dissected, deconstructed, warped, mocked and thrown down the gutter. He can cope with complete and total vulnerability better than Doom or anyone in this thread.
He'll suffer the most but endure longer through an ego destroying roller coaster of a torture session. Only Lobo in this thread because of his nihilism (ignoring the wise cracks the guy is nihilistic) could survive an eternity under Desaad without breaking.
Originally posted by AllanklesI'm sorry that when Victor Von Doom was brutally orphaned as a young gypsy child, he decided to wipe out all crime and poverty from his country, and actually succeeded... whereas when Bruce Wayne was brutally orphaned as a young trust fund baby, he decided to wipe out all crime and poverty in his city, and still fails to this very day... which is why he is always risking his life inherently. Due to phail.
How many are those? 20 or so incedencents you've listed over 4+ decades, how many more times does Batman face foes who outclass him physically? The PIS elements against those foes don't change the fact that he's literally always a second away from being dead.
Ultimately, the magnitude of odds Doom has faced dwarfs that faced by Batman. Consistently.
Originally posted by AllanklesDoom's will > Batman's will. Doom does not need a Zur-En-Arrh contingency persona in case his will breaks like Batman's did. That's because Doom's will doesn't break.
As for his emotional baggage, I did mention that it'll make him vulnerable to the torture he'll face, but it is that same vulnerability that makes him endurable.Unlike the other guys in this thread he's the one that will cope best with having his entire ego dissected, deconstructed, warped, mocked and thrown down the gutter. He can cope with complete and total vulnerability better than Doom or anyone in this thread.
He'll suffer the most but endure longer through an ego destroying roller coaster of a torture session. Only Lobo in this thread because of his nihilism (ignoring the wise cracks the guy is nihilistic) could survive an eternity under Desaad without breaking.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Beyonder, twice. Galactus, twice. Watchers, three times. Celestials on Counter-Earth. Akhenten w/THOTU. Thanos w/IG. Magus w/CCUs. Mephisto, every single year, until he defeated him. Overmind. Marquis of Death. Nightmare's army of all Earth mages. Two different Sorcerer Supremes. Every Earth hero team. Several actual Gods. Several Hulks. A Herald. Several Omega-class mutants. Also: Luke Cage.Doom is not afraid to fight without his armor or resources. It's exactly what he did when he confronted Reed who had taken over Latveria. It's exactly what he did when he fought in the contest for the Sorcerer Supreme title.
Batman fights White Martians with fire. Batman fights Superman with Kryptonite. Batman fights ALE Darkseid with Radion. Batman doesn't just use plot-device weaknesses, he also gets kids involved and uses them to help him. One boy: killed. One girl: killed. Another boy: his only parent killed. Another girl: shot through the spine and paralyzed. Another boy: likely molested, who has now taken in another boy, who just got captured by the Joker.
Batman: you're the best.
Didnt Doom go through the actual hell once with nothing more than willpower (armour was powerless at the time or something like that). I admit that i'm not sure, but I thought I read that before. If so, thats pretty damn impressive.
Not capping on Bats either as I know he's the real deal too, its just that I was curious about my question.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm sorry that when Victor Von Doom was brutally orphaned as a young gypsy child, he decided to wipe out all crime and poverty from his country, and actually succeeded... whereas when Bruce Wayne was brutally orphaned as a young trust fund baby, he decided to wipe out all crime and poverty in his city, and still fails to this very day... which is why he is always risking his life inherently. Due to phail.
In defense of Batman he'd have to become a tyrant to stop crime in Gotham dead. It is a possibility he's considered but rejected in favor of the harder but higher road. And you agree that Batman faces danger more often than Doom, this wasn't about who has faced the bigger threat, it was about who faces danger more often, who faces down the odds more often relative to their capabilities, the answer is undoubtedly Batman.
