are mutants immortal?

Started by SamZED8 pages

Originally posted by Xplosive
Ok. But that is different, if he had an affair with Death. I didn't know that.

I won't argue, because I simply don't have knowledge on him.

But if we go logically, that could also be only speculation (because it didn't happen) and it's also important who said it?. I mean if someone high cosmic said it, than good, if some mutant, man, Earthling,... said it, then it's harder to accept or to take it seriously.

And if we go by that all power in reality derives from PF, then that means that also his abilities comes from PF (TOAA creation power) in the end.
In the end of the universe PF goes down and it awokes to reality again.
So that automatically means that Mister Immortal should go down at least the end of the universe, because he depends on someone else.

That could be the case, but I can't say, because I don't know Mr Immortal (only heard about him), what is his role, what he does etc...

So, better to leave it alone from my side.

About Deadpool, it is different, yeah. I never meant he's immortal because of his healing factor. The curse is what I was referring to.

As for Mr. Im I believe it was some death related being that told him that. Dont remember what was it exactly. But definitely not some mutant speculating. I believe its in his repsect thread.

xplosive your trying to put your religious views on comics, when it not accurate.

There is a clear hell and heaven. There zero evidence that everyone can recarnate like your trying to argue. Certain characters can recarnate, but there not the norm. Those are unigue abilities only a few people have.

Wolverine ability is documented. DP ability to documented. Apoc ability is documented. Simply because they show forms of immortality, be it recarnation or changing bodies or simply being un killable due to a curse. These are unique abilities and people like cyclopes, punisher ect. Do not posses these abilities. You seem unable to grasp this, and you are projecting your religious views on comics which don't have the same view as yourself.

Here mr immortals thing.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech

Credit to Galan007 for the scan.

Originally posted by Xplosive
And let someone show me Logan reincarnating. That means you have to show me not only memories from previous life, but that has to go to the very beginning, because I mean, someone called him eternal warrior. So that means to show when he was first seen and then reincarnating all the way to the present, to the current body.

Otherwise, it's all speculation.


I already did, but you simply ignored it for some reason.

Here Wolverine recarnation
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3541/mwarriorspirittk1.jpg
2. http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8917/mwarriorspirit2vy0.jpg
3. http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8414/mwarriorspirit3vf9.jpg
4. http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6958/mwarriorspirit4jt2.jpg

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Originally posted by SamZED
About Deadpool, it is different, yeah. I never meant he's immortal because of his healing factor. The curse is what I was referring to.

As for Mr. Im I believe it was some death related being that told him that. Dont remember what was it exactly. But definitely not some mutant speculating. I believe its in his repsect thread.

Cool. Should check it out. Although don't know who excatly said that to Mr. Immortal.
Comics are known for exeggeration also. But of course that doesn't mean it's exeggeration in this case.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
There is a clear hell and heaven. There zero evidence that everyone can recarnate like your trying to argue. Certain characters can recarnate, but there not the norm. Those are unigue abilities only a few people have.

It's not about religious, man. It's common sense, because Logan isn't anything special.
And about abilities. Unique ability would be if he would be able to reincarnate conscioussenly whenever he wanted, while he just reincarnates in natural order.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
You seem unable to grasp this, and you are projecting your religious views on comics which don't have the same view as yourself.

Sorry, but you are unable to graps a point.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Here Wolverine recarnation
1. http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3541/mwarriorspirittk1.jpg
2. http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8917/mwarriorspirit2vy0.jpg
3. http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8414/mwarriorspirit3vf9.jpg
4. http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/6958/mwarriorspirit4jt2.jpg

What says here is just his previous lives, what he was doing. Role after a role. It doesn't even go that back and is already called Eternal warriow. :ha. Of course, he always reincarantes, just like others do.
I just can't believe you think that is only for him and not for others. Only what makes it special here, is that he actually remembers some of his previous lifes.
Reincarnation like in Logan case is not an ability like you make it out to be, just a natural order.

Originally posted by Xplosive

It's not about religious, man. It's common sense, because Logan isn't anything special.
And about abilities. Unique ability would be if he would be able to reincarnate conscioussenly whenever he wanted, while he just reincarnates in natural order.


Yes clearly it is, because you seem unable to grasp that not everyone can do what Wolverine does. It not a normal thing he called the “right hand of god” the “eternal warrior” for a reason. His soul will recarnate over and over on the living world. His life will be that of constant battle. This not the norm. There zero evidence that people like Cyclopes, night crawler ect. Will reform into new bodies on the mortal plane. Honestly wtf don’t u understand?

Originally posted by Xplosive

What says here is just his previous lives, what he was doing. Role after a role. It doesn't even go that back


Yes it does go that back, your just mad ignorant. When he fought Ba’al was during the dawn of man. Even Ba’al when he fights him in the present time recognizes him as the original warrior who defeated him.

Originally posted by Xplosive

Of course, he always reincarantes, just like others do.
I just can't believe you think that is only for him and not for others. Only what makes it special here, is that he actually remembers some of his previous lifes.
Reincarnation is not an ability like you make it out to be, just a natural order.


Except it not. This is what I mean. You are unable to grasp the differences between comics and your religious views. You keep trying to project your religious views on comics, but it does not work.

There is zero evidences that people like gambit, Cyclopes ect. Will after death recarnate on the mortal plane. Actauly it an establish fact that there is a heaven and hell in marvel and that’s were dead go. Unless they have special ability which prevents them from reaching eternal resting place. Sabre-tooth dead, and he in hell, he not back on earth in a new body like your trying to pretend everyone does. They don’t and there zero evidence to support your claims. In fact all the evidences say you batshit wrong.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think it's been stated that every time she uses her shape-shifting to change form her cells get rejuvenated, meaning she's potentially biologically immortal.

And while I don't know if she's as old as Wolverine I know she's over 100. She was alive during the Victorian era IIRC.

Well according to X Men: First Class, Mystique and Prof X were of the same age. If you've seen it, you'll see around the beginning when Charles and Raven first meet, they're both kids and of the same age. There's no way she could be older to Charles. Maybe by a year at most but other than that, there's no way. According to the movies that is.

Omega level mutants are explicitly immortal, others potentially so.

Then there are those like Mr. I whose mutant power is being immortal.

He's not a mutant.

Wrong. He is a mutant, simply a higher level of mutant. Superior to Homo Superior aka Homo Supreme, baby.

Nope.

I'm right.

Omega level Mutants are not immortal! They are just powerful.

Originally posted by Mindset
Nope.

I'm right.


Incorrect. You're wrong.

Originally posted by Salthasha
Omega level Mutants are not immortal! They are just powerful.

Several Omega level mutants are immortal because of their abilities.

Iceman is immortal because he can just turn to ice.
Elixir is immortal because he can halt his bodies aging process.
Franklin Richards is a reality warper so he can simply will himself to be immortal, just like every other reality warping omega level mutant.

Etc...

Originally posted by KingD19
Franklin Richards is a reality warper so he can simply will himself to be immortal, just like every other reality warping omega level mutant.

He's going to live to be more than a billion years old.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He's going to live to be more than a billion years old.

He's going to live longer than that. He was actually stated to be the one to watch the current universe die, and help Galactus usher in the existence of the new one.

And Jean Grey is immortal because the writers lack imagination, and Bobby can turn to ice, fortunately for him he has not yet irked a flametard into nuking him. And yes I like Bobby drake aka the iceman the one in x factor who trapped the Hulk in ice.

Again because some have powers that make them nigh Invulnerable age is still a constant factor and an ice sculpture even in a freezer will dissipate over the ages.

Well if omega level mutants are immortal then woot.... My favorite will live forever, that's right the Eurasian ninja with a psi knife/sword capable of world scanning without cerebro, my fav purple passion Psylocke. Yeah and shes hot, to trot ready to knock, boots or heads matters not. Shes my only precious my psy Lock.

Whats that? you say she isn't omega level? careful friend telepaths need not to hear to understand this sacrilege. Let me refer instead to the writer Rick Remender who stated she was. Oh I can see it now, me and an English tart strolling somewhere in Co. Kerry Ireland hand in hand. Her long purple hair waving in the wind, a huge smile on my face . we roll down the hills together blowing bubbles and frolicking about, we fly a Kite made from Sabertooths skin, and we live happily forever after. All the while Tery Jacks sings with his band, seasons in the sun. Inspired by me and psylocke.

ANYBODY SEEN MY BONG?

Originally posted by KingD19
He's going to live longer than that. He was actually stated to be the one to watch the current universe die, and help Galactus usher in the existence of the new one.

More than a billion years is a correct statement. And I know what his relationship is with his purple-hatted herald.

Psylocke isn't Omega. Not only has she not demonstrated Omega potential. It hasn't been stated on panel.