Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
'Yes' says that some feats are simply too unrealistic to be allowed, and 'no' says that all characters should be presented with their feats [b]intact. I don't get this poll. [/B]
Originally posted by Bardock42
lol, well it is confusing. Yes means that "that is toonforce" will be an applicable argument. And "that is toonforce" means the same thing as "that feat can not be used in the argument".
So 'Yes' is saying no to Toonforce and 'No' is saying yes to Toonforce. How quaint!
Originally posted by Burning thought
Again, targeted at me and defending Link in this thread. Thats not what this thread is for.Human limit is not physics though, thats just human limitations. We use machines to get past that but special rules, such as demonic power or vampirism replace "machines" for us.
Through a power or ability such as Devil trigger for example, or Demon energy. A fictional power/energy source does not exactly break physics, it works with it by enhancing a character to said limits.
If demon power, or divine energy were not used on the other hand and said person without powers did said feat, then you would be correct they would be against physics.
Quit thinking you're that important. Only the first paragraph is targeted towards you. And only like two sentences of it.
Yes it is. Human limitations are defined by physics. We can only produce force in amounts reasonable with our personal mass. And yeah, way to restate what I talked about in my first paragraph. You say an explanation cancels out the stuff being illogical.
Said limits are not physically possible with said character's mass. It doesn't matter if it's explained or not, technically it is still a physics break. It's really hard to avoid trolling you when I can't help but think you simply don't read my posts.
Edit: No, AG. Yes is yes, and no is no.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
So 'Yes' is saying no to Toonforce and 'No' is saying yes to Toonforce. How quaint!
Yes is "Yes, toonforce is a valid argument, therefore feats that are toonforce can not be used in threads"
No is "No, toonforce is not a valid argument, therefore any feat that a character has in the game can be used in threads"
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Dude, you want to vote no. Voting yes means Deadpool beating people with his lifebar isn't something he can normally do. It says he did it for comedy and it won't be allowed in threads.
Yes! Deadpool can not really do that! I mean, should a silly character like L.Raptor be able to turn someone into basketball on a whim and slam dunk them through a demonic rim? He could beat anyone! Just turn'em into basketball, game over.
I'm juts sayin' the name is stupid, but the idea makes sense. It's common sense.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Quit thinking you're that important. Only the first paragraph is targeted towards you. And only like two sentences of it.Yes it is. Human limitations are defined by physics. We can only produce force in amounts reasonable with our personal mass. And yeah, way to restate what I talked about in my first paragraph. You say an explanation cancels out the stuff being illogical.
Said limits are not physically possible with said character's mass. It doesn't matter if it's explained or not, technically it is still a physics break. It's really hard to avoid trolling you when I can't help but think you simply don't read my posts.
Edit: No, AG. Yes is yes, and no is no.
Its not illogical if the game itself gives reasons for it being logical within its universe.
Not if someone is given powers to make up for the lack of mass. Its called an "exception to the law", in Kratos' case his divine durability and strength.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Akuma can shatter an island with a punch.According to BT's definition, this is toonforce.
BT's definition is wrong.
Fictions will ALWAYS have breaks from scientific law.
not my defintion of toonforce, a illogical piece of nonsense that is innacurate to physics, math etc is simply what I have labelled toonforce.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtYou can label it whatever you want, does not make you less wrong. You don't actually know what Toonforce is.
not my defintion of toonforce, a illogical piece of nonsense that is innacurate to physics, math etc is simply what I have labelled toonforce.
Calculation of feats is certainly acceptible. Hell, YOU have done it to support Legacy of Kain. That slab was stated to be granite. Ergo, it is as heavy as granite. Calculating how much that slab of granite weighs is perfectly logical.
Oh, and that island busting feat, does in fact break physics.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Its not illogical if the game itself gives reasons for it being logical within its universe.Not if someone is given powers to make up for the lack of mass. Its called an "exception to the law", in Kratos' case his divine durability and strength.
Cool, so a conflict between the rules.
A physics break is a physics break and is illogical by definition. But since it's explained it can't be illogical. But a physics break still happens.
Why am I not surprised I stumbled across something like this?
Originally posted by Burning thought
not my defintion of toonforce, a illogical piece of nonsense that is innacurate to physics, math etc is simply what I have labelled toonforce.
Yeah, but that's what he means, that's not a useful definition. The definition that may be useful is "toonforce = any feat a character has that is outside the range of their usual skills for reasons of overcoming plot obstacles without development or for humor"
If it is about your definition, I must vote no, it's not a useful definition for vs debates of superhuman characters. If it is a slightly altered SvFL I think it's perfectly valid, which is what No End N Site also seems to mean.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You can label it whatever you want, does not make you less wrong. You don't actually know what Toonforce is.Calculation of feats is certainly acceptible. Hell, YOU have done it to support Legacy of Kain. That slab was stated to be granite. Ergo, it is as heavy as granite. Calculating how much that slab of granite weighs is perfectly logical.
Oh, and that island busting feat, does in fact break physics.
its the same as what I said only with "humour" added on. I am not wrong to call something illogical.
Yeh, because Legacy of Kain does not really bend physics so much outside of the games limitations. Vampires are strong, therefore they can move said object, Kratos is strong, therefore he can move said object....both universes depict said characters throughout the games as strong, its not illogical on the other hand to calculate these feats.
I dont know of the feat or its principles so I cant comment on that.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah, but that's what he means, that's not a useful definition. The definition that may be useful is "toonforce = any feat a character has that is outside the range of their usual skills for reasons of overcoming plot obstacles without development or for humor"If it is about your definition, I must vote no, it's not a useful definition for vs debates of superhuman characters. If it is a slightly altered SvFL I think it's perfectly valid, which is what No End N Site also seems to mean.
I never argued my defintion was what we used, or should use. Simply that saying "toonforce" is easier than claiming "illogical" because its a base term. Their very similiar the defintions anyway, at least the parts that are important.
My point being, illogical nonsense that just happens and is not developed throughout or explained at all in the game was my label as toonforce even if it was not the correct label.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
But "Yes" is for "NO to Toonforce " statement and "No" is for "YES to Toonforce" statement.
Haha, yes.
Yes means "No, toonforce can not be used in threads"
You are right. But so is MooCow, you are just talking about different statements, as I tried to point out here:
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes is "Yes, toonforce is a valid argument, therefore feats that are toonforce can not be used in threads"No is "No, toonforce is not a valid argument, therefore any feat that a character has in the game can be used in threads"
Originally posted by NemeBroI hope not, that's just radical. When there is clear eveidence that the character is capable (as in doin' things like this consistently), then okay. But a character like Shadow Giest shouldn't be able to erase characters from existense by shrinkin' them out of it in threads. Some things are just over exaggerated.
Akuma can shatter an island with a punch.According to BT's definition, this is toonforce.
BT's definition is wrong.
Fictions will ALWAYS have breaks from scientific law.
Originally posted by Burning thought
its the same as what I said only with "humour" added on. I am not wrong to call something illogical.Yeh, because Legacy of Kain does not really bend physics so much outside of the games limitations. Vampires are strong, therefore they can move said object, Kratos is strong, therefore he can move said object....both universes depict said characters throughout the games as strong, its not illogical on the other hand to calculate these feats.
I dont know of the feat or its principles so I cant comment on that.
Well what you are saying is different though. You are talking about breaking in-game physics. Then you may have a point. But everyone here seems to think that you are talking about breaking real life physics.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well what you are saying is different though. You are talking about breaking in-game physics. Then you may have a point. But everyone here seems to think that you are talking about breaking real life physics.
Originally posted by Bardock42
any feat a character has that is outside the range of their usual skills for reasons of overcoming plot obstacles or without development of said powers throughout the games
This is what I am getting at. I altered what you initially said, took out the humour (because humour is objective). Although it works hand in hand, because if someone breaks their own in-game physics e.g. if said physics were considered Earth style, but then without development or reason (God of War gives development and reason for Kratos for example) will also in a way be breaking real life physics as well, because game physics were not implemented.