This is a very interesting scenario and I am assuming that Grevious in his "all out" is able to use blasters and whatever other means of technology that he has.
I personally like Darth Maul a lot and would have liked to have seen him go further in the movies. I believe that Maul and Sidious could have been the perfect Sith Team considering Maul did not appear to have any interest in killing his master. Maul was the perfect Sith Apprentice.
i see it going like this. Maul and Grevious confront each other and Grevious pulls out four sabers and Maul looks at momentarily and estends his dual blade and force pushes Grevious and then charges quickly after him and cuts the cyborg right in half.
I dont think that Grevious puts up much of a fight unless maybe he is shooting at Maul with four blasters at the same time.
Maul Wins rather quickly.
Originally posted by yoda725
This is a very interesting scenario and I am assuming that Grevious in his "all out" is able to use blasters and whatever other means of technology that he has.I personally like Darth Maul a lot and would have liked to have seen him go further in the movies. I believe that Maul and Sidious could have been the perfect Sith Team considering Maul did not appear to have any interest in killing his master. Maul was the perfect Sith Apprentice.
I think Maul's versatile and agile enough to handle Grievous' sabers. Not saying it would be easy, but Grievous is primarily used to tooling Light Siders. Someone as aggressive and ruthless as Maul wouldn't allow for... I'll use the word "chances" for Grievous to get through or escape. Grievous isn't used to fighting Sith except for Dooku.
I'd say Maul wins after a helluva duel.
Yes Grevious has fought and slaughtered many Jedi, some of whom we don't even know their fighting style they used and the strength of their force powers. I could be wrong and if so I can take the correction and criticism, but Grevious did not fight any Sith Lords other than his dueling sessions with Dooku and an arranged fight Dooku with Grevious, Assaj Ventress, and Durge. Additionally, Grevious has been susceptible to the force push as done to him by Kit Fisto and Mace Windu (who crushed his armor plating) additionally, Assaj Ventress was able to force push and toss Grevious around in their battle.
with that Maul was better in both sabers and force that Kit Fisto and Asaaj Ventress and would have been difficult opponent for Grevious to fight. perhaps i was a little too comical in my previous thread reply and made it seem like Maul would beat Grevious in a matter of seconds, but I do beleive that Maul in the end would have come out victorious because Maul was relentless and very resourceful in his fighting. plus i give him the edge in that he was trained by the Dark Lord of the Sith and Grevious was trained by the Sith Apprentice.
As for the perfect Sith Team, i was just speaking to the fact that Maul was willing to do whatever was necessary to please his master, but I do agree that eventually he would have either killed Sidious (or atleast tried) or Sidious would have eventually replaced him.
Originally posted by yoda725
Yes Grevious has fought and slaughtered many Jedi, some of whom we don't even know their fighting style they used and the strength of their force powers. I could be wrong and if so I can take the correction and criticism, but Grevious did not fight any Sith Lords other than his dueling sessions with Dooku and an arranged fight Dooku with Grevious, Assaj Ventress, and Durge. Additionally, Grevious has been susceptible to the force push as done to him by Kit Fisto and Mace Windu (who crushed his armor plating) additionally, Assaj Ventress was able to force push and toss Grevious around in their battle.with that Maul was better in both sabers and force that Kit Fisto and Asaaj Ventress and would have been difficult opponent for Grevious to fight. perhaps i was a little too comical in my previous thread reply and made it seem like Maul would beat Grevious in a matter of seconds, but I do beleive that Maul in the end would have come out victorious because Maul was relentless and very resourceful in his fighting. plus i give him the edge in that he was trained by the Dark Lord of the Sith and Grevious was trained by the Sith Apprentice.
As for the perfect Sith Team, i was just speaking to the fact that Maul was willing to do whatever was necessary to please his master, but I do agree that eventually he would have either killed Sidious (or atleast tried) or Sidious would have eventually replaced him.
You're going to have to explain the reasoning behind your statement that Darth Maul is a better duelist and force practitioner than Fisto and/or Ventress. Not that I disagree or agree, but an explaination is definitely due.
The reason why I say that Darth Maul is a better duelist and would be victorius vs. either Ventress or Fisto is that Maul was a master of Juyo, Teras Kasi, and Jar Kai, with sufficient ability in Niman, plus Maul was trained from a small boy to be a Sith Lord which is distinclty different that a Dark Jedi/Sity Acolyte that Ventress is. Maul had sufficient force powers that mostly showed up in his saber fighting ability, he was great at Force Push (which when used at the opprotune tine is very efficient i.e. Maul Force Pushing Obi-Wan into the hole) he can force choke and some other powers. One thing that was disadvantaged at was the time in which he was able to showcase his ability. For the most part everything had to be done with Stealth due to the Sith not being revealed just yet. Maul fought three Jedi Masters: Qui Gon (killed him) Anoon Bondara (fought in Shadow Hunter and more than likely would have killed him if the Jedi did not die in the explosion) and Siolo'Uromanka (according to Wookieepedia, this was Maul's first victim and apparently this was a revered Jedi). Even Sidious believed that Maul was "Well trained" and that the Jedi would be no match for him.
Now Ventress was a master of Jar Kai and had some training in Makashi, which means that she was not technically a master of any of the seven forms of saber fighting, she was more than capablein the force department, telekenesis, Force Grip, force Crush, Force speed, and she fought and killed several jedi including Masters and nearly killed Kit Fisto, Ventress also fought Grevious in a three way with Durge and lost.
Kit Fisto was one of the great Jedi swordsmen prior to the galacic republic and fought General Grevious and nearly defeated him. Fisto is a Master of Shii-Cho and was proficient with the force albeit some of which may not have been helpful in certain areas (Force Water Orb) Fisto had great Force Speed, but i think had some potential uncertainty about his ability. When he was part of the team that was going to arrest Sidious according to the ROTS Novel he would have felt better if Master Yoda was with.
With all this being stated Maul was trained to be the perfect killing machine and he had a deep hatred for the Jedi and relished opportunities to fight and kill them, whereas Ventress was once a Jedi Padawan and Kit a good but not great Jedi Master.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
lol. Greivous is a master Jedi Killer and has slaughtered his way through a number of prestiged fighters, has dodged force attacks on panel, yet he's going down to Maul because of a force push.sighs
If we use GL version of Lucas...
But if its Gene Tartovksi?'s reivous, then the cyborg stomps in a hurry.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
lol. Greivous is a master Jedi Killer and has slaughtered his way through a number of prestiged fighters, has dodged force attacks on panel, yet he's going down to Maul because of a force push.sighs
Well he did go down to a force push from Obiwan, so why not from one of the most highly trained sith apprentices in sith history??
And considering the trouble Kit Fisto gave GG by going teras kasi on him, I see Maul taking Sabers too. Maul mastered Juyo, teras kasi, and the saber staff. So its safe to say he knows his shit when it comes to saber fighting.
It appears that some people feel that the Force Push is not a strong enough display of the force.
My query would be what is more important the effectiveness of the force power or the magnitude of the force power.
The Force Push is a very efficient means of disabling an opponent because the only apparent defense against the force push is the force push (I.e. Obi wan vs. Vader) Mustafar.
Yoda force pushed Sidious to the point where sidious was trying to run.
Mace force pushed GG and caved his chest plate in.
Therefore if the Force Push is the best that Maul has but is effective then he would use it to his advantage and would do GG the same way he did Qui Gon on Tatooine when the TPM novel says that Maul was all over Qui Gon with his saber ignited before the. Lood fin came to a stop.
The Force Push should not be underestimated.