Originally posted by tsscls
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/library/Look hard, they're in there.
so you can't identify a single case where someone was victimized then?
Originally posted by tsscls
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/library/Look hard, they're in there.
so you can't identify a single case where someone was victimized then?
Taken from this page.
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/about/controversy%202.htm
"Kinsey clearly stated in his male volume the sources of information about children's sexual responses. The bulk of this information was obtained from adults recalling their own childhoods. Some was from parents who had observed their children, some from teachers who had observed children interacting or behaving sexually, and Kinsey stated that there were nine men who he had interviewed who had sexual experiences with children who had told him about how the children had responded and reacted. We believe that one of those men was the source of the data listed in the book."
Originally posted by tsscls
Taken from this page.http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/about/controversy%202.htm
"Kinsey clearly stated in his male volume the sources of information about children's sexual responses. The bulk of this information was obtained from adults recalling their own childhoods. Some was from parents who had observed their children, some from teachers who had observed children interacting or behaving sexually, and Kinsey stated that there were nine men who he had interviewed who had sexual experiences with children who had told him about how the children had responded and reacted. We believe that one of those men was the source of the data listed in the book."
yes, kinsey interviewed men who were pedophiles, what do you conclude from that?
like, do we know if these men had already served time for this? I don't see the jump you are making...
Originally posted by tsscls
Sorry, I was wrong about you not having kids. Offense that warrants banning? I'm no mod, but I'd say no.
You're assuming I did not have any children was what I was referring to when I talked about your personal attacks against me.
No.
How could you get that wrong when it was very directly stated in my post what the personal attacks were?
facepalm
Originally posted by tsscls
You should set up a website that alerts people to the proper manners of posting on message boards.
...or you could just read the rules on this website about insults/personal attacks. 😬
Originally posted by tsscls
Your name could be Emily.
Ahhh, giving me a girl's name. How so very adult of you. 😐
Originally posted by tsscls
You should tell people that you have children while you're at it.
I mean, why not? awesome
Originally posted by tsscls
That way they'll never hypothetically talk about them.
Good thinking!
Originally posted by tsscls
As angry as me talking about your hypothetical children (in my mind at the time) gets you, you think you'd have a bit of compassion for the real children that were affected by Kinsey's studies.
Riiiiight...the real children affected by Kinsey's studies...
You mean the children possibly spared from a predator because we have a better understanding of human sexuality thanks to the pioneering efforts by Kinsey? I'm guessing that's not what you meant.
Originally posted by tsscls
The fact is, there were children who were negatively affected by the action of Kinsey's subjects. All in the name of science.
Again, "Riiiiight...the real children affected by Kinsey's studies..."
So, where are these negatively affected children you speak of, sir? Can you name one or give an example? Surely Kinsey's detractors would have done all of the work for you?
tsscls:
ok, so, former British soap star Ross Kemp does a series where he visits gangs in different parts of the world, interviews drug dealers, murderers, militia and paramilitary people, essentially, a lot of bad people. But he does so in a way that investigates the causes of things like gang violence, in order to use his show as a vehicle to make a political statement about issues like race and poverty. He has visited Gaza, and was invited out on a mission where a Jihadi group placed an IED. He even admitted it was a questionable situation, but like, do you not think it is almost necessary for people to look into how all this works, so that we can deal with the issues that surround it?
why would pedophilia be any different?
Originally posted by dadudemon
You're assuming I did not have any children was what I was referring to when I talked about your personal attacks against me.No.
How could you get that wrong when it was very directly stated in my post what the personal attacks were?
facepalm
...or you could just read the rules on this website about insults/personal attacks. 😬
Ahhh, giving me a girl's name. How so very adult of you. 😐
I mean, why not? awesome
Good thinking!
Riiiiight...the real children affected by Kinsey's studies...
You mean the children possibly spared from a predator because we have a better understanding of human sexuality thanks to the pioneering efforts by Kinsey? I'm guessing that's not what you meant.
Again, "Riiiiight...the real children affected by Kinsey's studies..."
So, where are these negatively affected children you speak of, sir? Can you name one or give an example? Surely Kinsey's detractors would have done all of the work for you?
Still here!
Originally posted by inimalist
tsscls:ok, so, former British soap star Ross Kemp does a series where he visits gangs in different parts of the world, interviews drug dealers, murderers, militia and paramilitary people, essentially, a lot of bad people. But he does so in a way that investigates the causes of things like gang violence, in order to use his show as a vehicle to make a political statement about issues like race and poverty. He has visited Gaza, and was invited out on a mission where a Jihadi group placed an IED. He even admitted it was a questionable situation, but like, do you not think it is almost necessary for people to look into how all this works, so that we can deal with the issues that surround it?
why would pedophilia be any different?
If this guy knew that a crime was occuring, then no. If his inaction would kill your mother, would it be ok in the name of journalism?
Originally posted by tsscls
If this guy knew that a crime was occuring, then no. If his inaction would kill your mother, would it be ok in the name of journalism?
do I think a journalist, who might be studying the gangsters who kill my mother, bares any responsability in her death?
no, I tend to hold people responsible for their actions. Gangsters are the ones responsible for murders, whereas pedophiles are the ones responsible for child molestation.
If the best argument you can come up with is that Kinsey aknowledging the existence of pedophilia as something that should be studied implicates him as culpable in child molestation, I don't think you are going to get much support here.
Originally posted by inimalist
do I think a journalist, who might be studying the gangsters who kill my mother, bares any responsability in her death?no, I tend to hold people responsible for their actions. Gangsters are the ones responsible for murders, whereas pedophiles are the ones responsible for child molestation.
If the best argument you can come up with is that he aknowledged the existence of pedophilia as something that should be studied indicates that Kinsey is culpable in child molestation, I don't think you are going to get much support here.
The best argument that I can come up with is that if someone observes an illegal/immoral act in the name of science, and if something positive comes out of the observance, then it doesn't absolve them of the end result being immoral. If burning kittens>cancer, then you still have to account for the kittens. Kittens are just an example.
Originally posted by tsscls
The best argument that I can come up with is that if someone observes an illegal/immoral act in the name of science, and if something positive comes out of the observance, then it doesn't absolve them of the end result being immoral. If burning kittens>cancer, then you still have to account for the kittens. Kittens are just an example.
Originally posted by tsscls
Still here!
Oh, oh, oh! I know this one! It's a bait-troll!
dur
And, you bet your sweet britches that I would burn kittens if doing so cured cancer. I would setup a system of breeding at a massive pace so I could burn as many kittens as possible to cure as much cancer as possible. Get this, I may even cure some pedophiles cancer, despite the fact that I consider pedophiles some of the lowest scum on the planet. 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, oh, oh! I know this one! It's a bait-troll!
durAnd, you bet your sweet britches that I would burn kittens if doing so cured cancer. I would setup a system of breeding at a massive pace so I could burn as many kittens as possible to cure as much cancer as possible. Get this, I may even cure some pedophiles cancer, despite the fact that I consider pedophiles some of the lowest scum on the planet. 🙂
Would you have let that poor sap in Arizona commit murder if it led to a treatment that helps us understand schizophrenia better? If you were his attending Physician and also a researcher whose studies could possibly lead to the production of such a drug?