Originally posted by Warlord
wasn't Ultron using the encephalo-ray or something?
Collector used some machinery IIRC tooI don't know about the Godness incident
Yeah, they weren't using TP per se, but they were types of mind-control. Ultron's encephalo ray is close enough to TP that Mantis is able to "mind-read" Ultron when she tried to protect Starlod from a mind probe. I can look at more examples later, but Thor has never showed many impressive tp resistance as far as I've seen; maybe there are some more interesting telepathy feats in his main book, I haven't read most of Thor's published history to be fair.
ODG probably knows much better what Thor is capable of in that respect.
Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, they weren't using TP per se, but they were types of mind-control. Ultron's encephalo ray is close enough to TP that Mantis is able to "mind-read" Ultron when she tried to protect Starlod from a mind probe. I can look at more examples later, but Thor has never showed many impressive tp resistance as far as I've seen; maybe there are some more interesting telepathy feats in his main book, I haven't read most of Thor's published history to be fair.ODG probably knows much better what Thor is capable of in that respect.
I'm not saying this just to support thor vs TP but for me, gadgetry designed to mess with brainwaves is not the same to Telepathy (psionic ouput).
Both Collector and Ultron fall under that category. I do accept the Moondragon incident although IIRC she also said she could not directly control him and the best she could do is cloud his judgment (I could be wrong in this one it's been ages since I read vol 1 avengers books). However I do remember Thor fighting Phoenix and defo there was no mind control in this one. The chaos war stuff also makes me support the view that "god" characters are somehow protected from mind influence. anyway ODG or Rage could provide more solid proof to prove me right or wrong. For me, MM one shooting Thor with TP is as likely as one shooting let's say Superman this way
Nah, I don't mean to say he one-shots him, but he can put him down fast enough to give team two problems by being outnumbered.
I wouldn't compare with Kal though. Superman has incredible tp feats blocking feats, the fact that Maxwell Lord took years to affect him through guile is quite a feat on itself. Actually, I don't think anyone in this battle, even MM himself has proved as strong against tp than Superman. But well, this things are rarely consistent through a character history.
For what it counts, Moondragon was more or less controlling an entire planet when she assaulted Thor, and she declared she was spent at the moment the Avengers went against her. But since I've read Thor more in the Avengers than on his own series I may be exposed to low showings in order to make others look good. I still consider MM's telepathy a deciding factor in herald level fights because tp resistance feats are not necesarily everywhere.
Originally posted by Bentley
Nah, I don't mean to say he one-shots him, but he can put him down fast enough to give team two problems by being outnumbered.I wouldn't compare with Kal though. Superman has incredible tp feats blocking feats, the fact that Maxwell Lord took years to affect him through guile is quite a feat on itself. Actually, I don't think anyone in this battle, even MM himself has proved as strong against tp than Superman. But well, this things are rarely consistent through a character history.
For what it counts, Moondragon was more or less controlling an entire planet when she assaulted Thor, and she declared she was spent at the moment the Avengers went against her. But since I've read Thor more in the Avengers than on his own series I may be exposed to low showings in order to make others look good. I still consider MM's telepathy a deciding factor in herald level fights because tp resistance feats are not necesarily everywhere.
IMO it depends on how the pairs would go.
If MM pairs with Thor I wouldn't bet on a quick KO via TP more than a quick TP via hammer throw. MM's intangibility can be negated by Mjolnir. As for Supes having the better TP resistance here, it will not really matter since team 2 doesn't have TP users but I can point out a low TP showing for every high one. DC just isn't sure how they want to write him. IMO it's more a willpower thing more than a natural resistance one. IMO anyone on team 2 can split with anyone on team two more or less
It's possible, after all Mjolmir is a magical weapon capable of opening dimensional rifts.
I have a doubt about Black Adam: Was he having a power pump during the WW3 arc? Sometimes in the forums they discussed about this being the case -something about gaining Isis's powers if I recall correctly- but I never found if it was debunked or not.
Originally posted by Bentley
It's possible, after all Mjolmir is a magical weapon capable of opening dimensional rifts.I have a doubt about Black Adam: Was he having a power pump during the WW3 arc? Sometimes in the forums they discussed about this being the case -something about gaining Isis's powers if I recall correctly- but I never found if it was debunked or not.
well it's ambiguous... some people say he was amped some say he was pised. he just seemed more determined to me.
To be fair MM was doing fine against him and he could beat him if he used his powers properly...which he rarely does though 🙁
Originally posted by Bentley
It's possible, after all Mjolmir is a magical weapon capable of opening dimensional rifts.I have a doubt about Black Adam: Was he having a power pump during the WW3 arc? Sometimes in the forums they discussed about this being the case -something about gaining Isis's powers if I recall correctly- but I never found if it was debunked or not.
he was charged by Isis.