Originally posted by BentleyAdamantium Ultron is awesomely tough... but he essentially got beat by Savage Hulk and Wasp. Even if you consider Savage Hulk denting him an extraordinarily high feat, you're talking about Sentry here. Who nearly matched World War Hulk in strength and beat Molecule Man at his own game.
Sentry beat an Ultron built with the same materials than the Extremis armor when it became infected with a virus. Adamantium Ultron is waaaaay above that.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Adamantium Ultron is awesomely tough... but he essentially got beat by Savage Hulk and Wasp. Even if you consider Savage Hulk denting him an extraordinarily high feat, you're talking about Sentry here. Who nearly matched World War Hulk in strength and beat Molecule Man at his own game.
Ultron 11, it depends on which version we talk about, back then it hadn't started using internal forcefields to prevent Wanda from affecting it's internal components. Also Ultron -at least newer versions- can repair its adamantium shell if it's dented, that same venue of defeat is much less likely to work.
Adamantium Ultron would take what Ultron ditched in Mighty Avengers with a smile.
Originally posted by BentleyGranted. But Sentry can dent his shell with strength and exude powerful energies simultaneously. This would simulate what Savage Hulk and Wasp did, no? Furthermore, this is ignoring Sentry's formidable matter manipulation powers.
Ultron 11, it depends on which version we talk about, back then it hadn't started using internal forcefields to prevent Wanda from affecting it's internal components. Also Ultron -at least newer versions- can repair its adamantium shell if it's dented, that same venue of defeat is much less likely to work.Adamantium Ultron would take what Ultron ditched in Mighty Avengers with a smile.
I think Shultron would just take over Ultron-11.
ShUltron was quite amazing considering it was created on the fly on whatever was inside Tony Stark at the moment. It handled Ares and Wonderman as if they were kid, seriously team breaker material. I recall Ultron 11 having a great fight with the Avengers before going to the Secret Wars. The model was defeated with relative ease the next two times it appeared.
Ultron does have control over its own molecules to resist matter manipulation, of course it hasn't proved itself against high-end users.
I don't think Sentry ever showed enough craftiness with his matter manipulation powers, as he stated himself he didn't have any experience using them and forced MM to do the work for him. I'm not sure the werewolf shifting would be considered the same kind of skill to bypass energy blocks. If Sentry had shown more matter manipulation it would be easy to tell how likely it would be to have such effect.
But sheer power might work just as easily.
^ Like you suggested at the end... it was the lack of craftiness that lends to the notion that he'd just wreck Ultron. He had no finesse against Molecule Man. He admitted as such. He just demonstrated superior power over molecules over Molecule Man's. I mean... Molecule Man turned Bullseye into water. Bullseye had adamantium in him. And Sentry's control over molecules was superior through sheer power.
Afterwards, it's arguable he had an epiphany. But that epiphany seems hardly necessary considering the sheer power Sentry demonstrated over molecules.
^ Sentry had better control over Molecule Man's own molecules than Owen did. The second encounter wasn't about Sentry showing irresistable control over his own form... and Molecule Man realized he couldn't beat him by ripping him apart...
... it was Sentry wrecking Molecule Man's form... and Molecule Man being helpless against it. It's really hard to gloss over that:
Originally posted by ankur29
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Adamantium Ultron is awesomely tough... but he essentially got beat by Savage Hulk and Wasp. Even if you consider Savage Hulk denting him an extraordinarily high feat, you're talking about Sentry here. Who nearly matched World War Hulk in strength and beat Molecule Man at his own game.
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