ulq is faster, and stronger, and more durable imo, they have been showing speed, strength, and durability feats greater than anything luffy has shown, in bleach for a LONG time, and when everyone was relatively weak then. let me name a few, byakuya (and...ugh so bad with names, the assassin chick, well both of them) pretty much teleport without appearing to move a muscle, ichigo blocking millions of tiny blades with a single sword, ichigo blocking an execution with the power of...was it a thousand, or a million zanpakto? and ichigo punching through someones shikai, kenpachi taking a full strength attack from ichigo and being unharmed (ulquiorra did the same thing when ichigo is a LOT stronger and used a much more powerful attack). keep in mind, all of these were things that happened quite a while before ulquiorra.
and before you say anything, no, luffy is not ftl, what he did was dodge someones action of firing a laser at him, not the laser itself. i could show you a video of a guy dodging gun fire, does that mean he is faster than a bullet?
So, luffy has...precog, and rubber, which would not help him much, as far as defense goes. at the very most, the same speed as ulq, same with strength...uhhh, other than that i got nothing.
ulq can fly, has massive energy blasts capable of vaporizing luffy, is extremely durable, and can regenerate...im not seeing luffy pulling a win.
Originally posted by menokokoro
ulq is faster, and stronger, and more durable imo, they have been showing speed, strength, and durability feats greater than anything luffy has shown, in bleach for a LONG time, and when everyone was relatively weak then. let me name a few, byakuya (and...ugh so bad with names, the assassin chick, well both of them) pretty much teleport without appearing to move a muscle, ichigo blocking millions of tiny blades with a single sword, ichigo blocking an execution with the power of...was it a thousand, or a million zanpakto? and ichigo punching through someones shikai, kenpachi taking a full strength attack from ichigo and being unharmed (ulquiorra did the same thing when ichigo is a LOT stronger and used a much more powerful attack). keep in mind, all of these were things that happened quite a while before ulquiorra.and before you say anything, no, luffy is not ftl, what he did was dodge someones action of firing a laser at him, not the laser itself. i could show you a video of a guy dodging gun fire, does that mean he is faster than a bullet?
So, luffy has...precog, and rubber, which would not help him much, as far as defense goes. at the very most, the same speed as ulq, same with strength...uhhh, other than that i got nothing.
ulq can fly, has massive energy blasts capable of vaporizing luffy, is extremely durable, and can regenerate...im not seeing luffy pulling a win.
It's been proven that Luffy can one shot espadas 3-10 with Ulq being an exception, because of regen it would take 3-4 hits Luffy is calced at hypersonic based off of powerstacking possibly more Ulq stands no chance. also as a side note he called the beam slow but yea hes not FTL also keep in mind he casually one shot someone who was multiblock in durability with a fodder move someone who it took the entire SH crew to beat.Luffy starting in Gear 2nd is just a massive stomp because he will blitz Ulq.
Originally posted by Coco292ok, just because you believe "it has been proven" does not mean that that is fact, please enlighten me, give me details, on both his killing ulq in 3-4 hits, and his being faster than uld (not just luffy speed, but tell me why that is faster than what I have stated).
It's been proven that Luffy can one shot espadas 3-10 with Ulq being an exception, because of regen it would take 3-4 hits Luffy is calced at hypersonic based off of powerstacking possibly more Ulq stands no chance.
Originally posted by Coco292
also as a side note he called the beam slow but yea hes not FTL
there is an awesome video of someone dodging someone shooting at him...ooh it is perfect, when i find it i am posting it
Originally posted by menokokoro
ok, just because you believe "it has been proven" does not mean that that is fact, please enlighten me, give me details, on both his killing ulq in 3-4 hits, and his being faster than uld (not just luffy speed, but tell me why that is faster than what I have stated).
except half your feats were for Ichigo post more feats about Ulq and I'd be happy to do so.
Originally posted by menokokoro no, what he did was say the word slow, how does that automatically mean that he means the laser beam? there was someone shooting the laser beam right? he could have been calling him slow.there is an awesome video of someone dodging someone shooting at him...ooh it is perfect, when i find it i am posting it [/B]
I still think its a good feat reaction wise reguardless
As for the rest of this as I said I don't read Bleach but Namebro does so maybe he can enlighten you.
HA! you changed your reply, i was going to comment what you changed, but i guess i dont have to now 😄.
but yeah, my point with those feats is that they are more impressive than luffy, and ulquiorra is vastly more powerful in all aspects than those feats.
also, i agree, luffy dodging that was impressive, because before he was scrambling to stay alive against one.
Originally posted by menokokoro
HA! you changed your reply, i was going to comment what you changed, but i guess i dont have to now 😄.but yeah, my point with those feats is that they are more impressive than luffy, and ulquiorra is vastly more powerful in all aspects than those feats.
also, i agree, luffy dodging that was impressive, because before he was scrambling to stay alive against one.
But you haven't shown me anything really 0_o You didn't tell me Ulq's feats, Luffy tanked an island splitting punch like a 100 chapters or so ago and was busting city blocks 400 chapters ago and now casually destroys those with multi block durability.
And even though he wasn't looking at the beam I still think he dodged it due to the fact that the moment the beam was done firing the pacifista had another one charging and Luffy was already on top of him destroying it.
...you apparently don't know much about op either. blunt attacks do nothing to luffy, unless there are special circumstances.
ulquiorra (at his weakest state) blocked ichigo's masked getsuga tensho combined with a sword attack with one bare hand, which caused him to be thrown through four pillars, and then he just pushed lightly off the fifth (which destroyed it) completely unharmed. then blocked another even more powerful blast that scorched his clothes a bit (keep in mind, these attacks would pwn anything before this, including the people using the feats i stated before...which was kinda the point of them). he has surprised ichigo with his speed multiple times vanishing and reappearing next to him. ichigo stabs him at close range, doesn't even scratch him. then after ichigo SOMEHOW got strong enough to actually fight him on equal ground, all he manages to do is scratch him a bit. then ulquiorra uses his first release (after leaving the kingdom place i can't remember the name of, because he could destroy it fighting) at which point ichigo cannot keep up with him AT ALL.
edit: the first remark was aimed at coco, not you slaan
Originally posted by menokokoro
...you apparently don't know much about op either. blunt attacks do nothing to luffy, unless there are special circumstances.ulquiorra (at his weakest state) blocked ichigo's masked getsuga tensho combined with a sword attack with one bare hand, which caused him to be thrown through four pillars, and then he just pushed lightly off the fifth (which destroyed it) completely unharmed. then blocked another even more powerful blast that scorched his clothes a bit (keep in mind, these attacks would pwn anything before this, including the people using the feats i stated before...which was kinda the point of them). he has surprised ichigo with his speed multiple times vanishing and reappearing next to him. ichigo stabs him at close range, doesn't even scratch him. then after ichigo SOMEHOW got strong enough to actually fight him on equal ground, all he manages to do is scratch him a bit. then ulquiorra uses his first release (after leaving the kingdom place i can't remember the name of, because he could destroy it fighting) at which point ichigo cannot keep up with him AT ALL.
edit: the first remark was aimed at coco, not you slaan
Hmm he did get up right afterwards appearing unharmed like I said I don't read Bleach but unless Ulq is beyond hypersonic hes not touching Luffy.
....again, being able to intercept/dodge something does not mean you are faster than it.
really early on in bleach people have simply vanished, do you know how fast you have to be to simply vanish? i know luffy does the same thing, but they have been doing it for longer (as far as power ups) in bleach than luffy has in op