Thanos Vs Doomsday & Juggernaut

Originally posted by carver9
So you are telling me that thor never went into warrior madness anytime throughout the story? Is this what you are saying?

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor holds back. A non holding back Thor has broken Celestials armor, rocked the foundation of the planet, etc.

If that Thor lands the same blows on BRB then he might go down even quicker.

SS fought stupid as hell. Thor was without the hammer floating in space and SS couldn't hit him with his blasts. The characters were clearly shown to not be fighting at their best ability for the sake of the story.

I have a few questions. Just because it was not "True Warriors Madness" that inflicted Thor, does that mean that he wasn't operating at 10X greater strength?

In this one odd case, could whatever sickness that was afflicting Thor, have triggered an adrenal response, that allowed him to operate at far greater than normal strength levels similar to "True Warriors Madness"?

Can it be proven without a shadow of a doubt, that Thor was not 10X stronger than normal without it having been a case of "True Warriors Madness"?

Originally posted by Stoic
I have a few questions. Just because it was not "True Warriors Madness" that inflicted Thor, does that mean that he wasn't operating at 10X greater strength?

In this one odd case, could whatever sickness that was afflicting Thor, have triggered an adrenal response, that allowed him to operate at far greater than normal strength levels similar to "True Warriors Madness"?

Can it be proven without a shadow of a doubt, that Thor was not 10X stronger than normal without it having been a case of "True Warriors Madness"?

Also, Lobo rules.

Originally posted by Stoic
I have a few questions. Just because it was not "True Warriors Madness" that inflicted Thor, does that mean that he wasn't operating at 10X greater strength?

In this one odd case, could whatever sickness that was afflicting Thor, have triggered an adrenal response, that allowed him to operate at far greater than normal strength levels similar to "True Warriors Madness"?

Can it be proven without a shadow of a doubt, that Thor was not 10X stronger than normal without it having been a case of "True Warriors Madness"?

I agree. A few sources believed he was in WM state... including the very reliable warlock. Now Odin later states it wasnt true WM mode.. So it was kinda a recton or clarification of sorts..That being the case doesnt change the fact that he was operating at higher levels than normal thor was. Whether u wanna call it true WM or not doesnt change the fact that he was operating at a higher than normal level. Along with having exponentially higher durability

Originally posted by carver9
So you are telling me that thor never went into warrior madness anytime throughout the story? Is this what you are saying?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I agree. A few sources believed he was in WM state... including the very reliable warlock. Now Odin later states it wasnt true WM mode.. So it was kinda a recton or clarification of sorts..That being the case doesnt change the fact that he was operating at higher levels than normal thor was. Whether u wanna call it true WM or not doesnt change the fact that he was operating at a higher than normal level. Along with having exponentially higher durability

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
facepalm

So you're saying he was operting at normal levels during B&T and could do what he did normally? Certainly you jest..

^ If by "normal levels," you mean bloodlusted out-for-the-kill, then yes. Completely. He has fighting feats that dwarf what he accomplished there.

I don't think the Power Gem really improves durability...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't think the Power Gem really improves durability...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ If by "normal levels," you mean [b]bloodlusted out-for-the-kill, then yes. Completely. He has fighting feats that dwarf what he accomplished there. [/B]

Yet, when he has been bloodlusted before he's lost to a lot less hasn't he? He's lost one v one's in the same state.. For God's sake he could barely take Wolverine one v. one and has stalemated but not beat hulk countless times. Yet, you feel he could normally take Strange, Surfer, Brb and the IW lol lol. Come on.. I would give classic strange the one v one edge.. and I would give surfer a split. BRB and him have been shown to be equals... Logic tells us he WOULDN'T be able to do that in a normal state. We have them FLAT OUT STATING ON PANEL that Thor is more powerful than his normal levels.. even comparing it to when he's at 10 x his usual strength. Ooooo lets not forget that even tapped into the gem to send back stuff at Warlock and Strange... Yet, you feel he could do that at normal levels LOL LOL. Nah Thor was on steriods plain and simple.. Logic and common sense tells us more often than not he wouldn't be able to do that.

^ What the sh1t? Are you drunk? You have any idea the amount of phail contained in your post?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet, when he has been bloodlusted before he's lost to a lot less hasn't he?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He's lost one v one's in the same state..

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
For God's sake he could barely take Wolverine one v. one and has stalemated but not beat hulk countless times.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet, you feel he could normally take Strange, Surfer, Brb and the IW lol lol. Come on..

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I would give classic strange the one v one edge.. and I would give surfer a split. BRB and him have been shown to be equals...

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Logic tells us he WOULDN'T be able to do that in a normal state. We have them FLAT OUT STATING ON PANEL that Thor is more powerful than his normal levels..

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
even comparing it to when he's at 10 x his usual strength. Ooooo lets not forget that even tapped into the gem to send back stuff at Warlock and Strange... Yet, you feel he could do that at normal levels LOL LOL. Nah Thor was on steriods plain and simple.. Logic and common sense tells us more often than not he wouldn't be able to do that.

What a trainwreck of phail your post was.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What the sh1t? Are you drunk? You have any idea the amount of phail contained in your post? Yeah... that's kinda what happens when you stop handicapping yourself and unleash your full unfettered might, you lose less. What's your point? Using the full extent of your power isn't the same as receiving an ambiguous 10x strength amp that nobody bothers mentioning over 20+ issues. Against who? Mangog? Beta Ray Bill? How does him losing in a bloodlusted state support that he received a 10x amp during Blood and Thunder? He got outright toppled by BRB in Blood and Thunder AFTER BRB had been mightily pummeled. ... Thor barely took on Wolverine? He frikkin two-shotted him with a single Mjolnir toss and a single lightning bolt while holding back with several scratches to show for it. W.T.F. Thor never fought Strange, Surfer, BRB and Infinity Watch until he got the Power Gem. From the beginning of the story-arc proper, he fought BRB a few times. Even got toppled by BRB at one point. He fought Surfer. He fought Surfer and Warlock. He fought half the Infinity Watch alongside Valkyrie. Then he got the Power Gem. Stop butchering the sequence of events. I wouldn't give Thor an edge over classic Strange. And Thor didn't edge him out until after he got the PG. BRB and Thor have been shown to be equals I know... which is why Thor manhandling him three times, and BRB knocking Thor on his ass (even after BRB got pummeled) isn't hard for me to swallow. No. They never flat-out stated that. What fan-fic version are you reading? Do you have some special edition version of this story-arc that you're referencing? BRB mentions that Thor is recovering and won't stop, i.e., "He draws strength from the madness." That's about as generic a statement as, "He draws strength from his courage." Or, "He draws strength from his love." And Thor recovering and going Round 2 all over his foe is par for the course. [b]In fact that's exactly what BRB did to Thor after getting wrecked twice-over. Now for some Thor examples: Thor got completely wrecked by Tarrakis, a Thanosi and Mangog. Moments later, he kills Mangog and goes after amped Thanosi. That fighting feat dwarfs what he did in Blood and Thunder while not possessing the Power Gem. Another example: Getting wrecked to all crap while inside Exitar by his internal defense drones. Still gathers up so much energy that he unleashes a Godblast so powerful it blows up a reinforced Mjolnir. And then, he KEEPS fighting. Another example: After getting his sh1t pushed in against the Celestials, he gets up and topples one of them and runs one through with the Odinsword. Read a god damn Thor comic. Nobody ever compared Thor to his 10x strength. Not once was a 10x strength amp ever alluded to. Logic and common sense tells us more often than not that a twice-over beaten up BRB wouldn't have been able to topple Thor in Blood and Thunder if Thor truly was 10x strength. But that's exactly what BRB did. It only makes sense when you reject this imaginary 10x strength-amp that isn't mentioned once in 20+ issues.

What a trainwreck of phail your post was. [/B]

The point was, in a bloodlusted state Thor has lost to BRB and Mangog JUST to name a two. If he could lose a one v one in the same "claimed" state.. you then think he could turn around and beat that SAME Brb and then add on.. Surfer, Warlock and others? That defies logic and common sense. It clear whatever amp he had.. made him more powerful than his normal levels. Period. That is all I have claimed and that is spot on.

Now onto the next issue of fail... You said it was never alluded to.. isn't Thor your most beloved character? You don't remember the part where I believe it was warlock.. saying Thor was in WM? Maybe it was Pip but I'm pretty sure it was Warlock... So how can you claim it was NEVER SAID in 20+ issues.. when in fact it was outright said? Fail. Next you brought up the line that BRB said which does directly go towards again it being pretty much outright said or at the very least implied... We have someone saying he's in WM, we have WM established as being a state for Thor.. and we then have BRB saying he draws strength from THE MADDESS... Yet you go it was never stated or implied LOL. It actually was.. more than once even.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The point was, in a bloodlusted state Thor has lost to BRB and Mangog JUST to name a two. If he could lose a one v one in the same "claimed" state.. you then think he could turn around and beat that SAME Brb and then add on.. Surfer, Warlock and others? That defies logic and common sense. It clear whatever amp he had.. made him more powerful than his normal levels. Period. That is all I have claimed and that is spot on.

Thor would not lose to BRB if (i) Thor was in a bloodlusted state, (ii) Thor was amped x10, AND (iii) BRB was beaten near death twice-over.

Except that's EXACTLY what BRB did. You can't deny (i) or (iii). The only way BRB stuffing Thor makes sense, is if you remove that completely artificial 10x strength-amp. Now... everything makes sense. A beaten-up BRB can and did go Round 2 (or Round 3 really) on a fresh Thor immediately after BRB had been beaten up. Same way Thor can and did go Round 2 on Surfer.

Reread Blood and Thunder over again. You keep acting like Thor took on all these foes simultaneously. He didn't. Acting like Thor received some super-amp makes no sense. He would never have been toppled by a near-death BRB if he was. Get over the fact that your incredulity over Thor going Round 2 on his foes is completely dispelled when we saw BRB go Round 2 on Thor and we know for sure he had no frikkin amp, in fact, he was completely weakened from being beaten near-death twice-over.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now onto the next issue of fail... You said it was never alluded to.. isn't Thor your most beloved character? You don't remember the part where I believe it was warlock.. saying Thor was in WM? Maybe it was Pip but I'm pretty sure it was Warlock... So how can you claim it was NEVER SAID in 20+ issues.. when in fact it was outright said? Fail. Next you brought up the line that BRB said which does directly go towards again it being pretty much outright said or at the very least implied... We have someone saying he's in WM, we have WM established as being a state for Thor.. and we then have BRB saying he draws strength from THE MADDESS... Yet you go it was never stated or implied LOL. It actually was.. more than once even.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes. Thor lost to BRB while Thor was in a bloodlusted state.

Thor would not lose to BRB if [b](i) Thor was in a bloodlusted state, (ii) Thor was amped x10, AND (iii) BRB was beaten near death twice-over.

Except that's EXACTLY what BRB did. You can't deny (i) or (iii). The only way BRB stuffing Thor makes sense, is if you remove that completely artificial 10x strength-amp. Now... everything makes sense. A beaten-up BRB can and did go Round 2 (or Round 3 really) on a fresh Thor immediately after BRB had been beaten up. Same way Thor can and did go Round 2 on Surfer.

Reread Blood and Thunder over again. You keep acting like Thor took on all these foes simultaneously. He didn't. Acting like Thor received some super-amp makes no sense. He would never have been toppled by a near-death BRB if he was. Get over the fact that your incredulity over Thor going Round 2 on his foes is completely dispelled when we saw BRB go Round 2 on Thor and we know for sure he had no frikkin amp, in fact, he was completely weakened from being beaten near-death twice-over.
Why are you conveniently leaving out the fact that it was revealed to NOT BE Warrior's Madness? Why are you conveniently leaving out that for Thor to enjoy a super-amp, that BRB must have enjoyed a super-duper amp to have toppled Thor? How is this so hard to comprehend:

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Let me illustrate these lines for you... much like the other thread I have to constantly come in here and correct your mistakes and flat out lies...

"No. They never flat-out stated that. What fan-fic version are you reading? Do you have some special edition version of this story-arc that you're referencing?

Nobody ever compared Thor to his 10x strength. Not once was a 10x strength amp ever alluded It only makes sense when you reject this imaginary 10x strength-amp that isn't mentioned once in 20+ issues.

It only makes sense when you reject this imaginary 10x strength-amp that isn't mentioned once in 20+ issues."

Those 3 lines are EXACTLY why I had to come in here and correct you yet again. It was IN FACT mentioned ON PANEL that they believed he was in WM state. This was said by Warlock.. BRB also alludes to it and I believe Pip also mentions this. So.. as you can see.. this is why nobody can believe half of what you say.. It was in fact mentioned A FEW TIMES on panel. The writer was clearly making it clear that THor was amped and made a very reliable (one of the most reliable) sources say so. Just because they did a recton of sorts later.. doesn't change the fact that it was outright stated he was in that mode a few times. While you said.. it wasn't even mentioned or implied in 20+ issues lol. The facts are these.. we have narration making it clear he was amped... we have reliable sources who know Thor very well saying this.. Warlock and Brb.. They have dealt with him before and know his power levels and when he's working with a little more this time. Those lines along with the fact that we've seen Thor beaten in this supposed JUST bloodlusted mode before by A LOT less than what he beat. You put both those things together... call is WM or whatever you want to call. The fact is the writer made is clear he was stronger than usual. Period. No amount of lying and twisting changes this fact.

^ So what? The writer is not making it clear Thor was amped. The writer was making it clear that Thor was insane and bloodlusted.

How many times can you avoid the two most obvious facts that completely blow your conclusion out of the water? (1) It's revealed that it is NOT Warrior's Madness. (2) A near-dead BRB cannot collect himself and topple a bloodlusted, 10x amped fresh Thor. A near-dead BRB can collect himself and topple a bloodlusted non-amped fresh Thor.

Accordingly, all these manifestations of this imaginary super-amp you perceive of Thor fighting BRB, then getting beaten up by BRB, then immediately fighting Surfer and winning requires NO AMP. Why? How do we know? That's essentially what BRB did reversing Thor's positions!!! In the very same comic no less!!! All these protestations about, "Well gimme a break! An unamped Thor could never do that! That's just ridiculous!" W.T.F. BRB did that very thing! BRB who is literally Thor's equal. How much bigger than this gaping hole in your conclusions be?

If anybody commented that Thor was 10x stronger, you'd have a point. Nobody did. Not even close. You can stretch random statements as much as you want. It's an exercise in futility and a butchery of plain English.

"It's not Warrior's Madness" = "Thor got a 10x strength amp."

The. Fvck?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ So what? The writer is not making it clear Thor was amped. The writer was making it clear that Thor was insane and bloodlusted.

How many times can you avoid the two most obvious facts that completely blow your conclusion out of the water? [b](1) It's revealed that it is NOT Warrior's Madness. (2) A near-dead BRB cannot collect himself and topple a bloodlusted, 10x amped fresh Thor. A near-dead BRB can collect himself and topple a bloodlusted non-amped fresh Thor.

Accordingly, all these manifestations of this imaginary super-amp you perceive of Thor fighting BRB, then getting beaten up by BRB, then immediately fighting Surfer and winning requires NO AMP. Why? How do we know? That's essentially what BRB did reversing Thor's positions!!! In the very same comic no less!!! All these protestations about, "Well gimme a break! An unamped Thor could never do that! That's just ridiculous!" W.T.F. BRB did that very thing! BRB who is literally Thor's equal. How much bigger than this gaping hole in your conclusions be?

If anybody commented that Thor was 10x stronger, you'd have a point. Nobody did. Not even close. You can stretch random statements as much as you want. It's an exercise in futility and a butchery of plain English.

"It's not Warrior's Madness" = "Thor got a 10x strength amp."

The. Fvck? [/B]

Here are your quotes AGAIN

"No. They never flat-out stated that. What fan-fic version are you reading? Do you have some special edition version of this story-arc that you're referencing?

Nobody ever compared Thor to his 10x strength. Not once was a 10x strength amp ever alluded It only makes sense when you reject this imaginary 10x strength-amp that isn't mentioned once in 20+ issues.

It only makes sense when you reject this imaginary 10x strength-amp that isn't mentioned once in 20+ issues."

So before we continue.. you said it WASN'T EVER mentioned that he was in WM or even implied in 20+ issues.. is that true?

^ They never stated Thor has a 10x strength-amp. This isn't hard. What frikkin fan-fic version are you reading?

Just because you want to conflate Warrior's Madness with a 10x strength amp... WHEN IT WAS SHOWN NOT TO BE WARRIOR'S MADNESS is unbelievable trolling. It wasn't Warrior's Madness, what don't you get about that fact?

And you cannot even bring yourself to address that BRB had the most impressive feat throughout all of Blood and Thunder if your myth-propogating was given full faith and credit. Your silence speaks volumes. Get over the fact that your theory-crafting is completely wrecked and is forced to descend into pure absurdity by two simple and undeniable facts.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ They never stated Thor has a 10x strength-amp. This isn't hard. What frikkin fan-fic version are you reading?

Just because you want to conflate Warrior's Madness with a 10x strength amp... WHEN IT WAS SHOWN NOT TO BE WARRIOR'S MADNESS is [b]unbelievable trolling. It wasn't Warrior's Madness, what don't you get about that fact?

And you cannot even bring yourself to address that BRB had the most impressive feat throughout all of Blood and Thunder if your myth-propogating was given full faith and credit. Your silence speaks volumes. Get over the fact that your theory-crafting is completely wrecked and is forced to descend into pure absurdity by two simple and undeniable facts. [/B]

Still lying eh troll? When Thor is in WM mode it's said to give him a 10x amp in strength is it not?

Now... YOU SAIS it was never said or ever alluded to that he was in WM.. you straight out said this.. When in fact is that true? Wasn't it mostly certainly mentioned SPECIFICALLY that he was in WM mode? It was wasn't it... That is where your straight out lying took place. Whether or not, it was rectonned doesn't change that it was infact said or implied multiple times he was. Any recton later doesn't change that it in fact WAS SAID in 20+ arcs... Warlock is a very reliable source on thor's power.. along with BRB.. and they both noticed his increase in power levels.. Yet somehow you wanna say.. ooo he was just bloodlusted.. nah they have seen Thor bloodlusted and punked before... they know the difference. Whether you wanna call it true WM mode or not.. doesn't change the fact that he was clearly operating at higher than normal levels.