Originally posted by Juk3nTBF fighting some random skrulls is one thing, (Jackpot, a chick with some shield MA training and fancy costume held her own against a Venom/Rhino/Lizard skrull and won in the end) while stalemating top MA marvel fighters is another, Fisk has done that as well I believe. At his best, definitely not a stomp.
High showing, BP's high showings have him stalemating ironfist and defeating a skrull who was Ironfist/Elektra/Shang-Chi and one other i forget.Tchalla stomps
Originally posted by Juk3nFisk beating captain america is a normal showing for fisk. Fisk has consistently beaten or stalemated high end martial artists.
High showing, BP's high showings have him stalemating ironfist and defeating a skrull who was Ironfist/Elektra/Shang-Chi and one other i forget.Tchalla stomps
Originally posted by godking
Fisk beating captain america is a normal showing for fisk. Fisk has consistently beaten or stalemated high end martial artists.
Slight correction, it WAS a normal showing. There's never been an official depowerment, but there's 2 Kingpins....the Classic KP that was able to school even low metas like Spider-Man consistently, and has too many similar showings to count them as flukes. And Current KP that is mid-street at best. The switch wasn't instantaneous, but was sometime in the 90's when writers stopped writing him as a fighter and he became almost entirely a schemer. Any fight involving him must make that distinction, or else you get into a pointless low/high-end feat argument.
I really don't think theres as big a drop off between classic and current Kingpin.
Classic Kingpin could beat a 15 year old spider-man when he wasn't at his strongest
Current Kingpin can beat Typhoid Mary, tank being on fire, get shot multiple times and only take a step back, and finally get shot in the head and not die.
Also beating a Skrull is really nothing special as many street level characters have done similar feats. Even Elektra was getting hit by a Collosus Skrull and still got up.
Imo Kingpin should be able to beat Black Panther, hes not stomping someone that can still give good fights to Spider-man and Daredevil.
Originally posted by SasuOna
I really don't think theres as big a drop off between classic and current Kingpin.
Classic Kingpin could beat a 15 year old spider-man when he wasn't at his strongest
That's a bit of selective memory. Pete has been stated to be at 10 ton strength since his early days, and KP overpowered him physically numerous times well into the 80's when SM had been firmly established as a character. Decent recent showings aside, he's done nothing close to that level for years.