Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Exactly. To deal with a conceptual being you either destroy reality or make the concept they represent meaningless 🙂
actually if i recall correctly Death of the Endless was one of the earliest ones "born" of the 7...and all 7 were "born" before any life was in the universe...so yeah.
Originally posted by zopzop
@Power Cosmic IIImplied? Ugh. It doesn't really have to be combat feats. It can be "creation" feats too. For example, creating planets/solar systems/galaxies/universes. Or even "utility" feats. For example, teleporting/moving/manipulating reality, energy or matter on a galactic scale.
Since when does Death (of any publisher, not just Vertigo) create?
She killed another member of the endless (one of the more powerful ones) with a touch of her finger.
That's analogous to Oblivion killing Eternity with a touch of his finger.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
[B]Since when does Death (of any publisher, not just Vertigo) create?
It doesn't have to be a creation of life.
That's analogous to Oblivion killing Eternity with a touch of his finger.
Uhm no. Eternity's been anything from the supreme Time being to the sum total of the universe. That's nothing like any Endless. It'd be more like Death (Marvel) killing an abstract like Lord Chaos or Mistress Hate.
Originally posted by zopzop
It doesn't have to be a creation of life.Uhm no. Eternity's been anything from the supreme Time being to the sum total of the universe. That's nothing like any Endless. It'd be more like Death (Marvel) killing an abstract like Lord Chaos or Mistress Hate.
No...Dream of the Endless has more jurisdiction over the DC/Vertigo universe than Chaos or Hate have in the MU. That's why I likened it to Eternity, not what they actually represent.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Each of the Endless predate creation...their power is pretty much supreme with the exception of high angels and lucifer
I understand but it makes zero sense. Death isn't Oblivion (unless it's different in DC). You can have Oblivion without needing anything living to die. But Death doesn't have that luxury.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
an oblivion empowered avatar killed another abstract pretty easy
Are you talking about Maelstrom and Anomaly? I think Maelstrom just killed his M-body Colossus. In a later issue of Quasar, Anomaly is seen "alive' and pissed at Quasar for invoking his attributes (when he fought Maelstrom in the Black Hole) without his permission.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
No...Dream of the Endless has more jurisdiction over the DC/Vertigo universe than Chaos or Hate have in the MU. That's why I likened it to Eternity, not what they actually represent.
How can that be? The LT said that Eternity was "supreme" in the universe before the discovery of the Infinity Gems. Unless Dream is "supreme" in the universe in DC, then I have no point.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Since when does Death (of any publisher, not just Vertigo) create?She killed another member of the endless (one of the more powerful ones) with a touch of her finger.
That's analogous to Oblivion killing Eternity with a touch of his finger.
Also look at Destruction, he tries to be creative all the time, he just kind of sucks at it.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
where does nekron, black flash, black racer fit with death of the endless?
Originally posted by GalacticStormExcept she's never done either of those on panel.... And even if she could (because I'm sure you'll mention the 'feat' from New X-Men #154 and try to make it of equal value to what you mentioned... A part of the debate I have no interest in, btw), it is certainly NOT in character for her to 'atomize realities' or make everyone in a given reality 'immortal'.
Jean just atomizes reality or makes everyone immortal 😂
Plus this is an arena setting. It'd only be Phoenix and Death, with no external factors to manipulate. No one wins this. srsly
Originally posted by Galan007the voice of reason as always 👆
Except she's never done either of those on panel.... And even if she could (because I'm sure you'll mention the 'feat' from New X-Men #154 and try to make it of equal value to what you mentioned... A part of the debate I have no interest in, btw), it is certainly NOT in character for her to 'atomize realities' or make everyone in a given reality 'immortal'.Plus this is an arena setting. It'd only be Phoenix and Death, with no external factors to manipulate. No one wins this. srsly
i think this wud be a split for sure.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What does any of this have to do with a forum battle?No one else is involved in such battles, its these characters in isolation from everything else. Just them, the environment and whatever resources it has in it. Thats that.
By your logic most forum battles waged would feature the police, intervening superhero teams, or SHIELD. Thats not how it works.
By stating a win by turning everyone else into immortals kind of by default brings in a whole bunch of people into the fight.
Originally posted by Galan007
Except she's never done either of those on panel.... And even if she could (because I'm sure you'll mention the 'feat' from New X-Men #154 and try to make it of equal value to what you mentioned... A part of the debate I have no interest in, btw), it is certainly NOT in character for her to 'atomize realities' or make everyone in a given reality 'immortal'.Plus this is an arena setting. It'd only be Phoenix and Death, with no external factors to manipulate. No one wins this. srsly
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