Military

Ha ha! I found the right thread! I'm US ARMY, active and my MOS is 12C, the bastardized version of Combat Engineer. Our primary mission is to build modular bridges no matter how crazy the situation, but we are designated as "Multi Role" because we can be used in Riverine Patrol Ops, Route Clearance, Breaching, and Reconnaissance.

@Phoenix: You'd like my job for the reason that we're around water wherever we go, but you'd hate it for the reason that you'd be lifting heavy pieces of steel all the time, and it's really not a job for short females. Unless you luck out and get selected for the Recon Team in whatever Multi Role Bridge Unit you're assigned to, like I am 🙂

Much love to the "Leg" guys in here. My back thanks the MRAP I get to ride around in. I don't know how you guys walk all that distance, hauling all that shit on your backs.

If I was going to join the military, I'd join the branch that sees the least amount of hot zones and combat, and I would try to have a MOS that would ensure that I stay inside of a base or what have you for as long as possible, because I want the benefits of being a military vet, but I really don't want to die for my shitty government. Does that make me a bad person?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
If I was going to join the military, I'd join the branch that sees the least amount of hot zones and combat, and I would try to have a MOS that would ensure that I stay inside of a base or what have you for as long as possible, because I want the benefits of being a military vet, but I really don't want to die for my shitty government. Does that make me a bad person?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
If I was going to join the military, I'd join the branch that sees the least amount of hot zones and combat, and I would try to have a MOS that would ensure that I stay inside of a base or what have you for as long as possible, because I want the benefits of being a military vet, but I really don't want to die for my shitty government. Does that make me a bad person?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
If I was going to join the military, I'd join the branch that sees the least amount of hot zones and combat, and I would try to have a MOS that would ensure that I stay inside of a base or what have you for as long as possible, because I want the benefits of being a military vet, but I really don't want to die for my shitty government. Does that make me a bad person?

That type of thinking doesn't just make you a bad person, it makes you a coward of the lowest regard.

Unfit to serve in my Army.

A big HOOAH! to you bro.

Dumbledore's Army.

Originally posted by Pig Newtons
That type of thinking doesn't just make you a bad person, it makes you a coward of the lowest regard.

Unfit to serve in my Army.

313 just joshin'

Well personally I'd rather be in the action. I don't like the thought of sitting around on my ass while other people are out there doing life threatening things. One of my goals in life is to prove that a woman can do whatever a man can do, doesn't matter if it's better just so long as it's equal to. Sense my father served he taught me to shoot, but against those who have been in service as long as you guys I don't think I'd even hold a challenge 😬

Edit: but I know I'm better than any selfish disrespecting coward who's too scared to risk his life in the line of duty *cough* not pointing any fingers.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
D-Damn. 🙁 Well, what are the pre-requisites for being considered fit for your army? I lack the gumption, but I'm a legit intelligent guy who could actually do my cowardly job very well, which is more than can be said for idealistic and naive inbred red necks who join the military to serve their country, but are too stupid to figure out which end of the gun the bullets come out of.

313 just joshin'

I think you're a pretty cool guy man, but don't diss the Army. Although idiots join every branch, and there are idiots in life you shouldn't base the military off of people who aren't intelligent. I like to believe I am very intelligent, and I happened to got a 98 on my ASVABS. I served my country with pride and because I wanted to not because I was forced. Had certain things not happened I would still be doing so proudly. I might still go back to being a Ranger. I haven't decided. If my brother transfers to 18 Series I might go back and do an 18 X Ray contract. But anyways what I'm trying to say is just show some respect for the guys who actually have been through hell and back.

Originally posted by Phoenix3068
Well personally I'd rather be in the action. I don't like the thought of sitting around on my ass while other people are out there doing life threatening things. One of my goals in life is to prove that a woman can do whatever a man can do, doesn't matter if it's better just so long as it's equal to. Sense my father served he taught me to shoot, but against those who have been in service as long as you guys I don't think I'd even hold a challenge 😬

Edit: but I know I'm better than any selfish disrespecting coward who's too scared to risk his life in the line of duty *cough* not pointing any fingers.

As a female you aren't prohibited to have a combat MOS in any branch.

bleh, oh also I was talking to someone about the effectiveness of all branches. I had heard at one point and was wondering at which branch might hold up against the other. For example in terms of training which would be more difficult, and while the Rangers hold a strong position it was well argued that they did not hold much against the Marine Recon.

Originally posted by Phoenix3068
bleh, oh also I was talking to someone about the effectiveness of all branches. I had heard at one point and was wondering at which branch might hold up against the other. For example in terms of training which would be more difficult, and while the Rangers hold a strong position it was well argued that they did not hold much against the Marine Recon.

WELP, IMO and yes I am biased, but Delta is the top force in all of the country. You can't even apply to Delta, you have to be asked to join. They do shit that you'll never hear about for the most part.

Marine Force Recon is about like the SEALS IMO, which are very respectable, but are on par with 18 Series in the Army which is Special Forces. Air Force's Combat Engineers are about on par with Rangers imo.

Other things that are on par with Delta is the British S.A.S, and the Russian Septznas

Originally posted by Phoenix3068
Well personally I'd rather be in the action. I don't like the thought of sitting around on my ass while other people are out there doing life threatening things. One of my goals in life is to prove that a woman can do whatever a man can do, doesn't matter if it's better just so long as it's equal to. Sense my father served he taught me to shoot, but against those who have been in service as long as you guys I don't think I'd even hold a challenge 😬

Edit: but I know I'm better than any selfish disrespecting coward who's too scared to risk his life in the line of duty *cough* not pointing any fingers.

Unless you can lift as much as the weakest male, run as fast as the slowest male, shoot better than every other male, and can endure as much as the weakest male, you'll never be able to prove to most of us that you can do "whatever a man can do". Females are given easier standards (physical training and personal appearance), they're allowed better quarters (in most cases I've seen), and they're given rank based on the fact that they are minorities.

I'll be honest here and say that I highly disapprove of females in combat support jobs, UNLESS they can hold their own and can prove they can "hack it" like I mentioned above. Double standards don't mean shit to me when the rounds start coming in. If you can do it, fine, doesn't matter what gender you are. If you can't, don't expect me to make concessions based on "Equal Opportunity" because of your gender.

Some call me "archaic", sexist and biased. I don't care. I'm right, and as a leader, it's my responsibility to choose the best individuals for the mission, not because they're a "gender minority" and the EO officer demands it. 🙄

So even if I could run faster, lift more, shoot more accurately and in a greater succession, and endure a greater amount, you would choose a man because they are the best individuals for a mission?

pig newton speaks the truth... 👆

i personally would pick the best individual physically and mentally. if that means its a man on average then that is who i pick.

i disliked when we would get emails in the offices about promoting more females and getting them on the mendatorous board even when they didnt have the points to rate but were sent anyways...

men would just groan knowing that although they were better suited they would not be promoted and would be give to the girl even when she missed more questions had lower PFT, and rifle range score.

That's not the point, what I'm saying is that if a girl can come out with the same scores or better a male would still be the one chosen. Guy's tend to have a typical dominance feeling that they are better than the woman who take their place. I know I probably can't outshoot most of the guys on here already in but that's just because the only experience I have is at a shooting range and hunting, I haven't been trained like a soldier nor have I been in armed combat. But I'll tell you now if you want to judge all girls on a matter of how they all just run their mouths, scream when they see blood, and get emotional in conflict then you just might underestimate and be shown up by someone like me.

if you were better on average then a man i wouldnt mind serving in combat with you to a point... you can have a combat mos and support for all i care.

and if i had personal issues that would arise b/c of it, it would be my problems to deal with no one else .

one of the logistical problems that arose having women was stopping convoys for bathroom breaks.....everyone knew it was dangerous and stupid but no one said anything.

there were times when we be told to piss in our pants or use a bottle when there werent any women in the unit.

O_o that's stupid. I said already women should be treated equally and that's no different when it comes to safety regulations. Having to stop the entire convoy just so someone could go to the bathroom?

yes, driving toward or away from some places middle of nowhere...

same thing in some Humps during training.

seen women more often then not skip mandatory field training b/c well you know.... 😮