Originally posted by Bentley
Just for you to know, Batman is as screwed against Doom as Doom is screwed against the Doctor.
Wellllllll...
While I'd narratively go with that, in terms of comics/general story-setting, with CIS/PIS *off*, the Doctor loses much of his narrative ooomph. With that said, the Doctor wins most mid-to-long term preps (a week or more), while Doom wins mid-to-short prep, via his "stand-by" tech and magic. Bruce gets a couple wins against the Doctor, circumstantially, on short-term prep, but is completely out of his depth against someone with Doom's powers, when narrative protections are off.
(Of course, if/when Doom gets his hands on the Tardis, and finds a way to re-imprint her inter-active sentience to *his* mindset... well... the universe better watch out...)
Originally posted by Black bolt z
Don't know much about who.Whats some of his feats?
Outside of comics which I'm going to include with his comic feats just because more people will be familiar. Wipes out 2 civilizations independently capable of ending the universe/ multiverse. Daleks constructed a "reality" bomb that along with a crack in the wall of the multiverse would spill over and destroy every reality. Uses that latent psychic field of human beings to temporarily become what is essentially considered a near deus ex character. These are just the tv feats mind you just because it's a little easier to find and the feats just make me laugh sometimes.
Originally posted by Uriel005Nothing short of Doom 😎
Outside of comics which I'm going to include with his comic feats just because more people will be familiar. Wipes out 2 civilizations independently capable of ending the universe/ multiverse. Daleks constructed a "reality" bomb that along with a crack in the wall of the multiverse would spill over and destroy every reality. Uses that latent psychic field of human beings to temporarily become what is essentially considered a near deus ex character. These are just the tv feats mind you just because it's a little easier to find and the feats just make me laugh sometimes.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Anyone want to expand and compare why Doom is going to win this beyond his I IS DOOM I WIN B/C of AWESOMENESS.
Because Doom has the ultimate feat of prep ever achieved; defeating Classic Beyonder...
Until someone else gets a feat thats in the same country as that, Doom reigns supreme as pretains to prep...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Because Doom has the ultimate [b]feat of prep ever achieved; defeating Classic Beyonder...Until someone else gets a feat thats in the same country as that, Doom reigns supreme as pretains to prep... [/B]
Achieved by plot devices though. Technically it is as good as Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet or the Heart of the Universe.
Using only his resources Doom isn't nearly on that scope.
Originally posted by Bentley
Achieved by plot devices though. Technically it is as good as Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet or the Heart of the Universe.
Not even close...
Thanos got his artifacts by tricking/out smarting powerful, but very finite, beings...
Doom DIRECTLY beat the Beyonder; in other words, Thanos did not have to beat a weilder of the IG or HotU to get those items...but Doom had to beat the Beyonder himself to get his power.
So Dooms feat stomps Thanos's...
My general thoughts (taken from another thread):
Originally posted by Digi
lolThe Doctor doesn't belong in the vs. forum. His feats are often hard to quantify in the way we're used to thinking of them. Foreign universes can often compare well, but I don't think this is one of them that easily translates. It's part of the reason I scrapped my old plan of making him a respect thread (among quite a few reasons). He also blurs the line between allowed and not because he's REALLY slanted toward being a TV character, not a comic one.
In a prep scenario, he owns this like it's his job. Turn off his character's inhibitions and he's literally capable of destroying multiverses. Hell, Eccelston's Doctor made a wave emitter from some random wiring that would've destroyed every lifeform in a planet-wide area, and did it in about 15 minutes (and this is among dozens of similar feats). He's really kind of a deus ex machina in that sense. And the number of ridiculous superweapons that he's either negated, reverse-engineered, modified on the fly, etc. implies that he knows how to create and operate them on a whim, but it's hard to prove such things in a forum setting because they technically aren't his creations (thus part of the problem as well).
No prep was stipulated, however, and he's about peak human at best non-prep, so then the question becomes whether or not he starts inside the TARDIS or not. If no, he loses fast and definitively. If yes, he can just turtle inside until he figures out a way to win, which wouldn't take long. The extrapolator shielding on his TARDIS is a bit ambiguous, but has tanked enough blasts in both tv and comics that he should be able to stay in it safely until he's got a plan and some tech.
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Beyond all of that, the Doctor's such a goddamn Macuyver on a cosmic level that it's hard to place him in battles. Does he win? Sure. How? Er, he just does? It's like battles where Reed wins by default, but no one feels like saying what exactly he'd invent with prep to defeat his opponent. I have no clue what exactly the Doctor would create to defeat Tut, but I also know just as definitvely that he would be able to invent something to defeat him. We have assorted specific things from the show (like the one I mentioned, and a few others I could off the top of my head), but the context and circumstances might be different, necessitating different tactics. Hell, for example, due to his nonchalant manipulation of it late in the episode, I feel like he could recreate Davros's "reality bomb" if he lacked morals and just wipe out everything in the multiverse that isn't himself (he makes a gun capable of reversing its affects out of basically silly string and duct tape inside the TARDIS). But can I prove it? Not really, I can only provide circumstantial evidence that makes it plausible and believable, but not foolproof. Such logic irks many in the forums, and is why he's not a good candidate for in-depth debate.
That, for the most part. Doom takes short-prep scenarios though. Doctor beats Bats with any prep, however. The rest of my caveats about the Doctor apply here, however. He's really not made for matches like these, because his pwoers and feats are too unquantifiable.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
And he had to use klaws cut up body parts for plot devices at the time.
Yeah, but I don't want to call too much on it because it's still a great feat and Doom is consistently impressive at doing crazy stuff. Using Klaw's powers better than Klaw is not unlike using Purpleman's powers better than Purpleman. Doom is quite a solid prepper but he's not omni-versal under his own power.
Originally posted by BentleyUsing only his resources, Doom absorbed Nightmare in his entirety. That alone is insanely impressive, and IMO, beyond anything the other contestants in this match have done.
Achieved by plot devices though. Technically it is as good as Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet or the Heart of the Universe.Using only his resources Doom isn't nearly on that scope.