Originally posted by Stoic
The main thing about Ironman and his more exotic attacks, are that they leave him drained, and vulnerable.
Thats why I didnt use the attacks that leaves him drained... all of those are just normal feats from his suit.
I thought he fixed that drain problem by adding to his suit an ability to drain solar energy to power it. He hasnt been drained in a while to my knowledge.
Originally posted by carver9Those are some neat feats. But stoic is correct. Iron Man has some powerful hits that can let him dance with the really big boys but for a minute. He will be vulnerable. Unforunately for him, he has no defense against the raging demon, and Akuma can warp around pretty much all of his attacks at will. With that amount of power, Iron Man might be overwhelmed.
Thats why I didnt use the attacks that leaves him drained... all of those are just normal feats from his suit.I thought he fixed that drain problem by adding to his suit an ability to drain solar energy to power it. He hasnt been drained in a while to my knowledge.
Originally posted by psycho gundamWell he can exist at the bottom of the sea where the sub was indefinitely. That means he can survive some very deep pressure.
he doesn't really get hit
Then there's this: Meteor Smash!!!
To do the attacks he does, he has to be durable to withstand the impacts. Not sure about his "best". SF don't just throw feats left and right like Marvel and Iron Man has been out for a very long time.
An attack like that requires charging and focus on a single target THAT WON'T MOVE to create an attack powerful enough to destroy such a target. Like Bruce Lee said to the guy braking bricks in Enter the Dragon. "Bricks don't hit back".
Otherwise Akuma wouldn't have been defeat by Gen, he could've just punched the ground.
Just like IronFist busting the Helicarrier it took time and a stationary target.
Originally posted by the ninjak
An attack like that requires charging and focus on a single target THAT WON'T MOVE to create an attack powerful enough to destroy such a target. Like Bruce Lee said to the guy braking bricks in Enter the Dragon. "Bricks don't hit back".Otherwise Akuma wouldn't have been defeat by Gen, he could've just punched the ground.
Just like IronFist busting the Helicarrier it took time and a stationary target.
Akuma was never beaten by Gen. He sensed Gen was ill, Gen wanted Akuma to kill him and he didn't. It goes against his code. He tests his opoonents power (like he tested Ryu's) and he only kills the worthy. Gen was not at his best so he didn't.
You saw him just casually punch the ground right? It was no special technique and he was actually younger and holding back.
Shin Akuma is Akuma fighting at full potential. That was plain regular Akuma. The fact remains that a nuke can't sink an island. Not to my knowledge. To sink it and send it completely under the ocean requires megatons of power.
Even then, he has the speed and warping and raging demon, which Iron Man has no defense against anyways.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Akuma was never beaten by Gen. He sensed Gen was ill, Gen wanted Akuma to kill him and he didn't.
In the Udon comics it stated that he did defeat Akuma then years later when Gen was dying Gen wanted to fight anyway then kids found him dead.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You saw him just casually punch the ground right? It was no special technique and he was actually younger and holding back.Shin Akuma is Akuma fighting at full potential. That was plain regular Akuma. The fact remains that a nuke can't sink an island.
Stationary target like Ironfist's charged attacks.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterEven then, he has the speed and warping and raging demon, which Iron Man has no defense against anyways.
Originally posted by NemeBroI hope you do not mean my statement, cause I didnt come up with that crap. Its just the character has lots of fanboys that get carried away.
This statement is so full of shit I cannot believe it.No one taken remotely seriously in game vs. would claim that.
As for Akuma's feats.
He can destroy an island by slamming his fist to the ground. While he was younger. And holding back. And obviously less powerful.
He split Ayer's Rock into four separate sections.
He kicked a sunken ship in half on the bottom of the ocean, while destroying a submarine accidently, while apparently dragging the ship with his foot as he leapt to the surface.
He was able to annihilate a forest with a powerup, the ki shot out of the atmosphere and into space.
Not sure if he would win though. Not really an Ironman buff.
Oh yeah, and meteor busting.
Originally posted by the ninjakUdon storyline doesn't follow the main storyline. Like I said, he challenged Akuma and had been ill. Akuma tests his opponents out and kills only the worthy. To kill someone who is not at their best is against his code. He also seldom uses those attacks when he is testing someone. But he does have them.
In the Udon comics it stated that he did defeat Akuma then years later when Gen was dying Gen wanted to fight anyway then kids found him dead.Stationary target like Ironfist's charged attacks.
Another stationary target and Ironman has Spider Sense and Bison like speed! And can withstand a nuke or two.
It still was a normal punch. Now he does have the Kongou which he used on Ayer's rock, that is a more charged attack. Unfortunately for your argument his most powerful physical strike is the misogi, which teleports instantly and deals far, far more damage. More than the one he did on Ayer's rock and with the punch. Here is the move in action so you can grasp the speed, of course this is made "lighter" for gameplay standards. Go to 1:08
He also has projectiles and warping. When has Iron Man shown Bison like speed in a fight? Spider-Man has proven quicker than him in a fight. Extremis is much better, but even then...
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Udon storyline doesn't follow the main storyline. Like I said, he challenged Akuma and had been ill. Akuma tests his opponents out and kills only the worthy.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He also has projectiles and warping. When has Iron Man shown Bison like speed in a fight? Spider-Man has proven quicker than him in a fight. Extremis is much better, but even then...
Civil War had Tony appearing behind Cap like Bison yes and even Sentry said he was incredibly fast now. The plates surrounding the Extremis armor could bond to Tony in less than a second using Inertial Dampeners to move the Plates/Armor like Telekinesis. And don't forget the armor has Spider Sense after Tony studied Peter and created the Iron Spider suit. + can go invisible. + healing factor.
Originally posted by the ninjakUdon comics were great reads. All I'm saying is that the storyline isn't right exact game storyline. It follows it though No different than the movies of characters like Spider-Man follow the story, but not to the exact T. Udon characters are a lot weaker anyways. Again Gen was dying and wanted Akuma to kill him. Akuma didn't as he was not at his best.
The Udon comics aren't canon????? These guys literally are the creators of the canon. And made those end game videos.Civil War had Tony appearing behind Cap like Bison yes and even Sentry said he was incredibly fast now. The plates surrounding the Extremis armor could bond to Tony in less than a second using Inertial Dampeners to move the Plates/Armor like Telekinesis. And don't forget the armor has Spider Sense after Tony studied Peter and created the Iron Spider suit. + can go invisible.
This is what happened in story "He knew, where did he go?":
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There are many, many different versions of SF around. I could just use the Capcom vs SNK comic version and have them use their reality breaking punches. That wouldn't be fair though. I'm just trying to average them out the best way possible and be fair.
Nonetheless. Akuma didn't charge that punch. He did the slower punch on Ayer's rock though, the Kongou. Furthermore that was a much younger Akuma. Not fighting at his best.
The storyline is:
Alpha, SF2, SF4, SF3
That is the canon order of the storyline. Akuma was quite a bit younger then. But even if that fight were to be counted. It doesn't take away from his island buster punch at all.
He has the misogi now which combines his warp and he hits for massive power. Nukes haven't sent any islands underground that I know, or anything like that.
Spider-Man also go the drop on Tony. Now, Iron Man kicks Spider-Man's ass in a fight, but I'm just stating reflex like speeds. Akuma being a master fighter (it seems he is more powerful than Mandarin) has top notch speeds. He has projectiles, and the raging demon which Tony has no defense against. He could put up a field... temporarily. It wouldn't be sufficient for a prolonged assault though.
I love Iron Man, he's one of my faves. I can see him getting a few good wins with master use of his tech, but in a up front fight, he definitely loses. His best bet is to use cunning gadgetry. But with Akuma's warping and instant death moves. He's in for a fight.
Yeah that's the problem too many canon arcs. I thought the Udon comics would have been the Magnum Opus...the true story which had a younger Gen beating Akuma and then years later refusing to totally fight Gen due to his cancer. This is irritating.....
And yeah I agree no VS capcom feats Ironman had canons appearing on his arm in those games + he sucks in them.
So what do you make of Invisibility. Spider Sense. Computer Tactical imput plus reflexes. Bison like speed. Deafening sonics. Shields/Inertial Dampeners. Light Speed Repulsors. Nano Tech. Healing Factor. FLIGHT!
Plus! the ability to sense energy on an Astral Plane level. He sensed Dr Strange at the end of Civil War. He should be able to process mystical phasing.
Originally posted by the ninjakI mean that's as far as I know. Then these newer games come in with their retcons and multiple endings and it makes it a big mess.
Yeah that's the problem too many canon arcs. I thought the Udon comics would have been the Magnum Opus...the true story which had a younger Gen beating Akuma and then years later refusing to totally fight Gen due to his cancer. This is irritating.....And yeah I agree no VS capcom feats Ironman had canons appearing on his arm in those games + he sucks in them.
So what do you make of Invisibility. Spider Sense. Computer Tactical imput plus reflexes. Bison like speed. Deafening sonics. Shields/Inertial Dampeners. Light Speed Repulsors. Nano Tech. Healing Factor. FLIGHT!
From the storyline in Udon, their previous fight in that media was a "tie" before Akuma became his current self. I like to make sure of these things so I'm not talking out of my ass. In that Udon fight it was more of a "I'll see you again!" Like he did with Ryu when he broke the Island. Although he was testing Ryu and even though they "drew" Akuma would still beat him. Akuma's true desire is to die in battle and he looks for someone stronger than he.
The games are the true canon, although they have other showings, and it helps to use those with feats for characters who don't have many. Gen is awesome though.
Iron Man has his "uber" feats. The only problem is he can't prevent a raging demon (which doesn't need to "grab" like in the games"😉 and he has to contend with warping, great firepower, and strength.
As of the moment I say he stomps classic Iron Man, and against Extremis, a 7/10.
I'm still open to change my mind of course. 🙂
The raging demon sends the opponent to hell, where they are attacked for all of their past sins (wow Tony). Even being "innocent" doesn't prevent this attack. The only way to "dodge" it is to empty ones mind, and soul. Something Tony can't do and is a different attack altogether. Even if he did it, he wouldn't be able to continue the fight, obviously.
Originally posted by BentleyIs Ingrid even a serious character? They always have a God Loli. Shin Akuma is just Akuma not holding back.
Shin Akuma, Oro and of course, Ingrid are the top dogs in the SF verse.