Lady Shiva vs Blade

Started by Dum Dum Dugan6 pages

Originally posted by Trackz
When has Blade been called a mutant? Namor is a mutant.

Based on your view on Blade's vampirism, just because Wolverine has been called a mutant by others and himself, it doesn't mean he's a mutant.


he an Atlantan mutant.

Actually wolverine is not a mutant in the traditional sense like cyclopes, storm ect. same is true of namor.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
he an Atlantan mutant.

Actually wolverine is not a mutant in the traditional sense like cyclopes, storm ect. same is true of namor.

...ok point is not being seen.

How can you prove any of them is a mutant if you don't take statements by them, other characters, etc. seriously.

king castle seems to be seeing just because Blade has been stated to have vampiric powers by himself, others, and handbooks that we shouldn't believe it.

Originally posted by Trackz
...ok point is not being seen.

How can you prove any of them is a mutant if you don't take statements by them, other characters, etc. seriously.

king castle seems to be seeing just because Blade has been stated to have vampiric powers by himself, others, and handbooks that we shouldn't believe it.

Don't bother with him. If Dracula himself called Blade a Dhampir it's good enough for me.

Originally posted by Trackz
...ok point is not being seen.

How can you prove any of them is a mutant if you don't take statements by them, other characters, etc. seriously.

king castle seems to be seeing just because Blade has been stated to have vampiric powers by himself, others, and handbooks that we shouldn't believe it.


honestly could care less about what your argueing about, but your bringing up terrible examples.

Wolverine stated he was a mutant, as did others, and it turn out he not even the same race as the rest of them........this does not help your case.

Not that I disagree with you, but your examples are hurting you, rather then helping your case.

iirc my 90's knowledge correctly Blade's vampirism is a variation/mutation of the normal vamp infection which categorized as falling as a unique mutation making him a mutant persay.

see this is when i regret not saving and storing scans..

anyways.....namor is a mutant same as blade just not the conventional type his mutation stems from the fact that he is half atlantean and human which is the reason for his strange powers that are not common something happen on the genetic lvl changed.

same as blade.. the only difference blade's mutation was caused by a virus his mutation was that he didnt undergo the full transformation when he was born.. the definition of dhampir is being loosey goosey with him..

now Wolverine has bn called a mutant various times that doesnt make him a mutant.. the marvel classification for a mutation is an aberration of the norm species and having the X-factor gene..

now many ppl are called mutants in comics when they are not and we the reader learned to accept it some times as just being an honorary title due to their power...

but if we want to get technical we know they are not.. you can call blade a dhampir all you want and it can be said in comics but at the end of the day he isnt nor does he even fit the actual definition of one.. he is unique different from even other dhampir hence his appeal and character history... but at the end of the day if we want to name real half human half vampires real dhampirs we dont include him anymore then we include Morbius or Bloodscream and even if we do we elaborate the difference among the other characters...

now back to wolverine he has bn an anomaly for decades even different from other mutants... early in his career he was allowed in the X-men even when he was recognized by the team as being different from even them and being billed as:

a biologically engineered mutant... a bionic Mutant...a para human, a homo sapian superior and mutant..

now before you go screaming see that means he is a mutant!

all these names were just shot in the dark trying to define and label Wolverine and nothing but half @$$ guesses only falling into them by the looses of terms even professor Cornelius and Hines were guessing at his pedigree.. that is what made wolverine different and unique making him even more so when Scans couldnt label Wolverine..

now with the retcon you got logan coming from a different species of hominid and being a hibred of the primate ancestral human species and a lupine humanoid species that interbred millennium ago creating the various Lupine off shoots of humanity from werewolves and feral mutants... which makes Wolverine complicated and is only being disingenuous when we choose to just call him a mutant b/c it makes things easier

wolverine is a mutant. he is the product of celestial manipulation. it does not matter that humans are polphyletic and evolved from baseline wolves as well as apes. it's just a different phylum like multiple man, nightcrawler's bloodline, the neos and the x-ternals. they are all mutants.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
honestly could care less about what your argueing about, but your bringing up terrible examples.

Wolverine stated he was a mutant, as did others, and it turn out he not even the same race as the rest of them........this does not help your case.

Not that I disagree with you, but your examples are hurting you, rather then helping your case.

Wolverine still has the x-gene, being of a different species doesn't change that.

Originally posted by King Castle
iirc my 90's knowledge correctly Blade's vampirism is a variation/mutation of the normal vamp infection which categorized as falling as a unique mutation making him a mutant persay.

see this is when i regret not saving and storing scans..

anyways.....namor is a mutant same as blade just not the conventional type his mutation stems from the fact that he is half atlantean and human which is the reason for his strange powers that are not common something happen on the genetic lvl changed.

same as blade.. the only difference blade's mutation was caused by a virus his mutation was that he didnt undergo the full transformation when he was born.. the definition of dhampir is being loosey goosey with him..

now Wolverine has bn called a mutant various times that doesnt make him a mutant.. the marvel classification for a mutation is an aberration of the norm species and having the X-factor gene..

now many ppl are called mutants in comics when they are not and we the reader learned to accept it some times as just being an honorary title due to their power...

but if we want to get technical we know they are not.. you can call blade a dhampir all you want and it can be said in comics but at the end of the day he isnt nor does he even fit the actual definition of one.. he is unique different from even other dhampir hence his appeal and character history... but at the end of the day if we want to name real half human half vampires real dhampirs we dont include him anymore then we include Morbius or Bloodscream and even if we do we elaborate the difference among the other characters...

now back to wolverine he has bn an anomaly for decades even different from other mutants... early in his career he was allowed in the X-men even when he was recognized by the team as being different from even them and being billed as:

a biologically engineered mutant... a bionic Mutant...a para human, a homo sapian superior and mutant..

now before you go screaming see that means he is a mutant!

all these names were just shot in the dark trying to define and label Wolverine and nothing but half @$$ guesses only falling into them by the looses of terms even professor Cornelius and Hines were guessing at his pedigree.. that is what made wolverine different and unique making him even more so when Scans couldnt label Wolverine..

now with the retcon you got logan coming from a different species of hominid and being a hibred of the primate ancestral human species and a lupine humanoid species that interbred millennium ago creating the various Lupine off shoots of humanity from werewolves and feral mutants... which makes Wolverine complicated and is only being disingenuous when we choose to just call him a mutant b/c it makes things easier

Do you know what a Dhampir is?

So wait Blade isn't even half a vampire now?

yes, do you?

a dhampir is a half human half vampire born from either. it is not a genetic anomaly. not a baby who was born to a dead woman whose body was still under goin the change and the baby was not fully transformed due to the nature of the attack.

he is no more a dhampir then bloodsport or morbius is a vampire no matter who says it.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/15047/1430096-avengers___the_initiative_024__2009___minutemen_shepherdsdame_dcp_.cbr___page_6_super.jpg

anyways.....so now we know he doesnt have any upgrades and his past feats are just as valid as ever...
excellent

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/news/0612/BLADE53.jpg

Dracula calling Blade a Dhampir:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsDracula7.jpg

And again:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade%20fights/BladevsSpiderman2.jpg

Draconis called Blade a Dhampir:
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Dhampir.jpg

Captain America calls him a Dhampir:
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/doggydogg2/Blade_Heroic_Age.jpg

and spiderman has shown up on sentinel scanners bn called a mutant... Thunderstrike has bn called a mutant as well... also called thor but we the readers know they are neither.

Bloodscream/morbius Vampires that doesnt make them one..

they simply fit a certain description so are called that to simplify things.

He's a Dhampir. Accept it and move on as you can see you're the only one defending your argument.

you can call him a dhampir all you want as long as you acknowledge he isnt like any other dhampir..

just like morbius and Bloodscream arent like any other Vampire.

aaaaaaand at the end of the day how does his labeling change a damn thing when it comes to his physical limits?

Take my advice.

no. take my advice, do not hinge your entire argument on labels as an assumption of power.... its the same crap as ppl claiming a god wins b/c he is a god argument....

being called a Dhampir doesnt grant him any new abilities that are not shown on panel or other real Dhampirs might possesses.

You're flying solo on this one sunshine.

nah... you just dont want to admit that he is as psuedo as they come in ala Bloodscream and Morbius...

Psuedo Dhampir

anyways........

you know who you remind me of, Black Wolverine are you him?

The main requirement to be a Dhampir in all medians is being half human/half vampire...which Blade is. Not all vampire lore is the same either.

anyways.. moving on back to the argument at hand of who wins?

i found this bio of blade some one should post in the respect thread