Sentry vs. Superboy Prime

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Zom Strange was pulling his punches. Pak himself stated that had Zom Strange been going all out not only would Hulk have been destroyed but the planet probably would have been destroyed as well.

I agree with this... that's not my argument. I already said that zom strange would AND should beat wwh and he should be able to destroy prime as well. What I am saying is that if wwh punches can floor zom strange, it should also without a doubt be capable of outright messing prime up without a problem.

No matter how you do not want to accept it, wwh fist CRUSHED him and no matter how much you do not want to accept it zom strange << prime.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this... that's not my argument. I already said that zom strange would AND should beat wwh and he should be able to destroy prime as well. What I am saying is that if wwh punches can floor zom strange, it should also without a doubt be capable of outright messing prime up without a problem.

No matter how you do not want to accept it, wwh fist CRUSHED him and no matter how much you do not want to accept it zom strange << prime.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What evidence is there that the Zom amp increased Strange's durability?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What evidence is there that the Zom amp increased Strange's durability?

The same type of argument that the guardian amp increased primes durability.

Its pretty obvious that it increased his durablilty since his knuckles was hurting hulk. Strange strength or durablity would break on contact if he punched the hulk, strange isn't a durable or strong character. Also, hulk went on a rage when he was punching strange, a being with almost human level durability... he should have been paste on the ground from hulk kind of like what happened before this transformation when hulk crushed his human like hands and one shotted him.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this... that's not my argument. I already said that zom strange would AND should beat wwh and he should be able to destroy prime as well. What I am saying is that if wwh punches can floor zom strange, it should also without a doubt be capable of outright messing prime up without a problem.

No matter how you do not want to accept it, wwh fist CRUSHED him and no matter how much you do not want to accept it zom strange << prime.

Originally posted by carver9
The same type of argument that the guardian amp increased primes durability.

Its pretty obvious that it increased his durablilty since his knuckles was hurting hulk. Strange strength or durablity would break on contact if he punched the hulk, strange isn't a durable or strong character. Also, hulk went on a rage when he was punching strange, a being with almost human level durability... he should have been paste on the ground from hulk kind of like what happened before this transformation when hulk crushed his human like hands and one shotted him.

And if I wanted to indulge in your brand of lowballing I'd bring up the many examples of people with less than Cl 100 durability tanking blows from Hulk without being turned to paste.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see how that's even cogent. Prime's durability, amp or no is > to Hulk's and Zom Strange's. That shouldn't even be debated.

Okay. But to assume that Zom Strange's durability was> or even = to Prime's is entirely baseless.

And if I wanted to indulge in your brand of lowballing I'd bring up the many examples of people with less than Cl 100 durability tanking blows from Hulk without being turned to paste.

Originally posted by iceman24567
👆 Whats to say Prime would be messed up by jobber Stranges attacks? Primes durability is greater than WWH. Also it wasn't Zoms true power not even close

Strange took ALL of zoms power during this transformation, not just some of it. Strange amps in the past had him squaring off with some of the most powerful beings in the universe which also allowed him to withstand their attacks so why would he not do the same in this encounter. He received the full scope of zoms power not just some of it. They were one being.

Originally posted by carver9
Strange took ALL of zoms power during this transformation, not just some of it. Strange amps in the past had him squaring off with some of the most powerful beings in the universe which also allowed him to withstand their attacks so why would he not do the same in this encounter. He received the full scope of zoms power not just some of it. They were one being.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It wasn't the real Zom though. Just a tiny fragment.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't see how that's even cogent. Prime's durability, amp or no is > to Hulk's and Zom Strange's. That shouldn't even be debated.

Okay. But to assume that Zom Strange's durability was> or even = to Prime's is entirely baseless.

And if I wanted to indulge in your brand of lowballing I'd bring up the many examples of people with less than Cl 100 durability tanking blows from Hulk without being turned to paste.

You probably could bring up hulk punching people and them not being turned into paste but before doing that... show me one person throughout the entire wwh arc that either died, are crippled etc. Wwh didn't come to the planet to kill everyone like prime did, wwh came to the planet to make them feel what happened to him through his fist but even then he was still a hero, still saving lives. The thing is, you have the fantastic four, strange, hercules, and ironman saying that wwh was holding back so turning people into paste... nah, that wasn't his intention.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It wasn't the real Zom though. Just a tiny fragment.

And where did you get that it wasn't fully zoms power that strange was using in this fight? Let me see the scan where it is saying that its a fragment of power.

Originally posted by carver9
You probably could bring up hulk punching people and them not being turned into paste but before doing that... show me one person throughout the entire wwh arc that either died, are crippled etc. Wwh didn't come to the planet to kill everyone like prime did, wwh came to the planet to make them feel what happened to him through his fist but even then he was still a hero, still saving lives. The thing is, you have the fantastic four, strange, hercules, and ironman saying that wwh was holding back so turning people into paste... nah, that wasn't his intention.

Originally posted by carver9
And where did you get that it wasn't fully zoms power that strange was using in this fight? Let me see the scan where it is saying that its a fragment of power.

Originally posted by zopzop

The Ancient One before he got owned, gave his power to Strange, it doesn't help 😄 . Here he is owning, then about to kill Strange/Ancient One but is distracted by the coming of the Living Tribunal :

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This ends part 1. All other appearances of Zom aren't really Zom but a sliver of Zom's power called a Zomling. You see, the Living Tribunal immolated him but Zom didn't die. A fraction of his power lives on in the Zomling. But if it absorbs enough mystic energy, it will reform a full Zom.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
No limits fallacy ftw.

From Zom's respect thread:

No limit fallacy has nothing to do with this unless you complerely ignore what the hulk has said, and what earths hero stated. If it was a dc character, you would accept these statements because you have accepted them in the past. The only reason you are ignoring these statement is because its the hulk. Why in the hell would a character want to punch someone into paste when he is saving people lives while fighting other character.

This is common sense omega.

By the way, your scan was pointless when there are hundreds of amps that strange have received that aided him in taking on powerful beings.

Originally posted by carver9
No limit fallacy has nothing to do with this unless you complerely ignore what the hulk has said, and what earths hero stated. If it was a dc character, you would accept these statements because you have accepted them in the past. The only reason you are ignoring these statement is because its the hulk. Why in the hell would a character want to punch someone into paste when he is saving people lives while fighting other character.

This is common sense omega.

By the way, your scan was pointless when there are hundreds of amps that strange have received that aided him in taking on powerful beings.

You asked if there was proof that it wasn't the full Zom. I gave it to you. So please STFU.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The no limit fallacy is in thinking that because he was holding back then him going all out would mean he'd beat Prime in a physical fight when he simply lacks the feats to suggest this.

You asked if there was proof that it wasn't the full Zom. I gave it to you. So please STFU.

And this is where I ask again, who punches has prime tanked that is on par with wwh?

But even that feat didn't prove anything. I never said that strange was unbeatable with these amps.

Lol at the idea of Zom Strange beating Prime 😂

^ I don't see anything lol-worthy about it.

Originally posted by carver9
And this is where I ask again, who punches has prime tanked that is on par with wwh?

But even that feat didn't prove anything. I never said that strange was unbeatable with these amps.

Anyway, Hulk isn't in this thread. And voting Sentry because he took punches from WWH isn't helping Sentry's case.

So let's everyone get back to the topic and stop with the nonsense please.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I don't see anything lol-worthy about it.