Avengers v Justice League

Originally posted by Bentley
I agree with this. Actually the biggest "issue" -assuming there is one and assuming we should care about power levels and realism to enjoy a comicbook story, both being bold assumptions imo-

Yea. Realism isn't what matters, verisimilitude is. Whether it makes sense in context.

with DC is that the herald class is swamped and the meta class is almost non-existant; in order to have some hero credibility in DC you need to at least being able to amp to hang with Superman level characters. There are exceptions to this -mostly the Secret Six/Suicide Squad series-, but it's kind of true for other books.

That's not really the case. The Titans/Outsiders/etc. level is swamped with Metas (and keep in mind the Titans have often been *huge*, with more than one book at a time and tons of characters), and JLA teams are generally filled out with them too. Plus Batman deals with streets and low metas a lot, and by extension so does a lot of the other Batfamily books. Legion of Superheroes is 90% meta class people.

It's just that as DC's classics are herald level, they tend to get more focus to outside eyes looking in, but in terms of actual numbers of heroes DC and Marvel are closer in those categories than most people thing.

Many Legion characters and Titans can amp to hang with heralds but yeah, I was mostly implying that Flash, Wonder Woman and other big names are very high in the scale.

Thor is my favorite Character but the JLA wins this All day Supes, Wonder Woman, Flash , Martian Manhunter, and Green Latern is to much Speed and Power for this Marvel team.

Nobody is arguing that the JLA win this 10/10.
Especially when the fact that Giantman and Wasp means that the Avengers team is a dated version of the team.
40 years old.
Pym is so much more now.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
unconquerable crippling yellow vulnerability .

Originally posted by MrMind
that got retconned

My post addressed how GLs are still compelling even without an absolute weakness.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Justice League.

Justice League clearly won. So what 7 character roster do you guys think would be able to beat Justice League? Only Marvel heros.

What 7 member marvel hero team do you guys think could beat justice league.

Sentry
Thor
Hulk
Ironman
Wonderman (classic)
Vision
Ms. Marvel
Current Quick Silver

Originally posted by carver9

Vision
Ms. Marvel
Current Quick Silver

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I really hope you don't see these three as matches for Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, and Flash.

I see quicksilver as nothing but a nuisance but you are seriously underating ms. Marvel. Even though I can't see her dropping the people that you have mentioned, she sure as hell can hold her own. If the martian by any chance decides to heat vision her, that could possibly amp her to unknown levels and depending on how long he does it, she might reach her binary levels.

Vision, another underated character... especially when we have him tangling with people like thor, stalemating silver surfer, knocking out classic juggernaut temporarily, fighting terrax and holding his own... going against hyperion, holding own until thor decides to finish it, and the list goes on.

Vision could be a deadly character if he wanted to be.

Originally posted by carver9
If the martian by any chance decides to heat vision her, that could possibly amp her to unknown levels and depending on how long he does it, she might reach her binary levels.

replace Vision with Quasar, make Ms. Marvel her Binary incarnation, and you can keep quicksilver depending on whether or not they are in marvel earth or not...or replace him with Mar-vell

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Huge ****ing if.

I agree but the martian does have a bad habit of pouring heat vision on the peeps that he is fighting against.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
replace Vision with Quasar, make Ms. Marvel her Binary incarnation, and you can keep quicksilver depending on whether or not they are in marvel earth or not...or replace him with Mar-vell

That's too much power.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but the martian does have a bad habit of pouring heat vision on the peeps that he is fighting against.

With the amount of powers J'onn has at his disposal there's little need for him to resort to spamming Martian vision.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's Martian vision first off, and secondly I can't see her amping off his energy to the point that she'd surpass him, that just doesn't make sense.

With the amount of powers J'onn has at his disposal there's little need for him to resort to spamming Martian vision.

She did a quick blitz through the collective and that small grasp of heat changed her to her binary levels.

Originally posted by carver9
That's too much power.

your kidding rght? Anything else would be a curbstomp. You have a green lantern, flash, ww, mm, and supes against what? Thor and Hulk because everyone else is fodder. too much speed, strength, etc

Originally posted by Sin I AM
your kidding rght? Anything else would be a curbstomp. You have a green lantern, flash, ww, mm, and supes against what? Thor and Hulk because everyone else is fodder. too much speed, strength, etc

So sentry and classic wonderman is fodder?