TFU II Galen Marek vs Caedus

Originally posted by truejedi
though luke had opportunities to finish Caedus and passed on them because of Ben. Ben hurt luke more than he helped him in that fight.

Caedus wanted to turn ben, ben was a factor that influenced both luke and caedus.

It is outright stated luke wanted to kill caedus so ben wouldn't and thus preventing him from falling to the dark side. It goes on to further detail that luuke was so focused on killing caedus that he was in a rage of the force.

Caedus was also injured by ben during the fight from a saber stab, ben hampered caedus more so then luke. The only moment caedus was helped by ben was the end of the fight where ben was going to kill caedus and luke stopped him for ben's sake. But if ben had never been there in the first place, caedus would of never been stabbed, ambushed, and caedus wouldn't have had to focus on torturing luke to attempt to turn ben as well as focus on been to keep him restrained, he could have focused purely on luke.

Its also stated caedus had a greater collection of esoteric knowledge of the force, including luke. The one part in the whole fight where luke over powered caedus in the force was when he held him down with the force and caedus could not initially break free. However take into consideration luke ambushed him and was in a force induced rage empowering him while caedus wasn't even prepared for battle.

The injuries that resulted for luke and caedus were tremendous for both, consodering how much ben hampered caedus and helped luke, its a strong showing for caedus.

In the force its stated caedus (jason) was the most powerful manifestation of the force ever, in the vong fight. Also his force powers grew so great he was able to deceive luke at point blank, in terms of the force they were about equal or undecided, its debatable who was stronger considering how much younger then luke caedus was.

As for sabers, after that fight, caedus stated only luke was his possible superior in sabers, considering he expected to thrash luke in cqc, but instead came out equally mauled as luke which is why he gave lukemore credit post that fight.

Originally posted by Board Walker
The only moment caedus was helped by ben was the end of the fight where ben was going to kill caedus and luke stopped him for ben's sake.

wrong.

Luke had Caedus trapped in the torture device, and went to kill him. However, Ben yelled "no, let me do it." So luke stopped, shocked by Ben's dark rage. Using the extra moments, Caedus cut himself free, and it was fight on, whereas without ben, it would have been game over.

Secondly, Luke DOMINATED Caedus with the force onboard the command deck of the ANakin Solo for several minutes when Caedus FELT luke coming, and even PREPARED FOR A FIGHT. Then Luke walks in, picks Caedus up, throws him into his chair, and holds him there motionless for the duration of their conversation.

I don't know what kind of spin you are trying to put on THAT confrontation exactly, but it sounds like you are simply mixing up the story. Did you even read the books? Or are you trying to form an argument from Wookipedia?

T_T

He was ambushed....horribly, the one warning he had of luke coming was when luke popped out from the shadows and force pinned him. Or could you provide the passage detailing he felt him coming far in advance and had ample time to prepare.

Secondly...caedus was only trapped in the torture device due to at first using it on ben, if ben was never there to begin with caedus would have never been stabbed, nor would he had to keep track of ben, nor would he had been ambushed.

Originally posted by Board Walker

He was ambushed....horribly, the one warning he had of luke coming was when luke popped out from the shadows and force pinned him. Or could you provide the passage detailing he felt him coming far in advance and had ample time to prepare.

Secondly...caedus was only trapped in the torture device due to at first using it on ben, if ben was never there to begin with caedus would have never been stabbed, nor would he had to keep track of ben, nor would he had been ambushed.

Ambushed? You meant that Ambush where Ben told him three times that Luke was right behind him? He simply COULDN'T have had more warning. The ass-kicking he took on the Command Deck earlier (which you still keep confusing with this fight) is proof of Luke's superiority.

Originally posted by Board Walker

Or could you provide the passage detailing he felt him coming far in advance and had ample time to prepare.

And it's a staple of a stubborn and wounded ego.

Originally posted by Board Walker
T_T

He was ambushed....horribly, the one warning he had of luke coming was when luke popped out from the shadows and force pinned him. Or could you provide the passage detailing he felt him coming far in advance and had ample time to prepare.

Secondly...caedus was only trapped in the torture device due to at first using it on ben, if ben was never there to begin with caedus would have never been stabbed, nor would he had to keep track of ben, nor would he had been ambushed.

read the book.
You can buy this book on amazon

Imo Board Walker's right in that there were too many extenuating circumstances and PIS to use that fight as an indication of their combat abilities. Lots of using the environment in that fight.

Exactly, that's why I went to the Encounter on the Command Deck. And Board-Walker just ignored that. Or tried to lump them into one fight... or something weird like that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Imo Board Walker's right in that there were too many extenuating circumstances and PIS to use that fight as an indication of their combat abilities. Lots of using the environment in that fight.

I agree, except that I don't see how there was any PIS in that fight.

If you're forgetting that Luke pinned Caedus in his chair without moving and then saying Caedus is stronger than Luke is blantantly absurd. Caedus was more powerful than Vader, but in the book Caedus stated he didn't want Luke finding out that he was the one responsibile for Mara's murder. Caedus knew that if Luke found out, he [Caedus] didn't stand a chance against the most powerful Jedi Master in history. Jacen/Caedus wasn't more powerful than Luke.

i don't think anyone disagrees with you.

galan