World Breaker Hulk vs Captain Marvel (dc)

and there are more high showings too, which makes your reference to low showings biased and dubious.

also, the nuclear bombs still have a ridiculously devastating impact on the planet. it is the radiation from the blasts, not the blasts themselves, that empowers him.

there are examples from way back of Hulk being attacked - and harmed - by a character only to amp so much that a second attack of far more intensity and power results in no damage whatsoever, due to the dynamic amping of ALL his stats.

moreover, there's Wolverine commenting on how Hulk's durability increased so much that his Adamantium claws couldn't cut into him.

and the fact that when General Ross shot him, point blank, in the eye with Adamantium ammo, the bullet just bounced off of Hulk's pupil - no effect whatsoever.

again, you are basically denying a fundamental, well established part of his powerset.

Originally posted by janus77
and there are more high showings too, which makes your reference to low showings biased and dubious.

also, the nuclear bombs still have a ridiculously devastating impact on the planet. it is the radiation from the blasts, not the blasts themselves, that empowers him.

more over, there's Wolverine commenting on how Hulk's durability increased so much that his Adamantium claws couldn't cut into him.

and the fact that when General Ross shot him, point blank, in the eye with Adamantium ammo, the bullet just bounced off of Hulk's pupil - no effect whatsoever.

again, you are basically denying a fundamental, well established part of his powerset.

Meh i have refused to read anyting involving the Red Hulk so maybe your correct about the drability upgrade, Ive always accepted the notion that Logan could cut him but he healed so fast that it appeared as if he didnt. And your wrong about the nukes, the blast would be nothing to Hulk as the nuclear radiation provides so much of a boost. I mean wastn he born of the stuff? It has nothing to do with durability

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh i have refused to read anyting involving the Red Hulk so maybe your correct about the drability upgrade, Ive always accepted the notion that Logan could cut him but he healed so fast that it appeared as if he didnt. And your wrong about the nukes, the blast would be nothing to Hulk as the nuclear radiation provides so much of a boost. I mean wastn he born of the stuff? It has nothing to do with durability

I agree with this... the nuke comment.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
oh and people need to stop confusing Hulks durability with his healing factor...his durability is shite...itshis hf that makes him a beast

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/39/hulk24016.jpg

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8339/hulk2401718.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6448/hulk24019.jpg

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4844/hulk24020.jpg

there are trilllions more. savage hulk has an assload of better durability feats, but the one above should be sufficient

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh i have refused to read anyting involving the Red Hulk so maybe your correct about the drability upgrade, Ive always accepted the notion that Logan could cut him but he healed so fast that it appeared as if he didnt. And your wrong about the nukes, the blast would be nothing to Hulk as the nuclear radiation provides so much of a boost. I mean wastn he born of the stuff? It has nothing to do with durability

and as for the nuke, my point is that the radiation comes along with the explosive force, Hulk tanked the force each time - there was no series of panels illustrating him "healing up" from any damage. just because the nuke amps him, doesn't mean that he was affected by the explosion (and you can't show any proof, iirc, to say otherwise).

also, there's the fact that Hulk tanked HT's full nova attack, combined with Storm's best, without recourse to his healing factor.

clearly Hulk's durability is quite powerful.

hulk's fail durability is a forum myth, he doesn't have a flight power to supplant his body like others do, nor any magical or scientific shielding to buffer the damage. he gets hit square and any damage he sustains is actually a high feat for the weapon or opponent he's facing, this has been true since the 60's..... you know somebody is worth a damn if they survive against the hulk, that so much is true, but if they manage to cause him pain or damage they have somthing to really talk about.

one of adamantium's claims to fame is it's ability to be fashioned into blades that can in fact slice the hulk, this was the whole shtick of speedfreek, wolverine was made to around this concept (ironically he was unable to damage hulk at first), the list goes on and on.

I've always been under the impression that hulks except for professor had dynamic or changing attributes... His strength durability and healing factor increase with his anger.. (fixit, savage, wbh, etc)

His speed also would increase but as a result of his strength increase...

Yes his healing factor helps him recover from most immense damage... But his durability soaks up most of it first anyways...

Hard to argue because at the end of te day if the artist renders the panel
Wron we are gonna see it wrong... :-/ but I still think hulks history shows those anger upgrades...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
any proof?

http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/39/hulk24016.jpg

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/8339/hulk2401718.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6448/hulk24019.jpg

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/4844/hulk24020.jpg

there are trilllions more. savage hulk has an assload of better durability feats, but the one above should be sufficient

lol, and thos scans proves what sweetheart?That He can take a punch? I mean he WAS still bleeding...when i refer to Durability, people are STILL confusing it with Resilience!! It is not one and the same. Durability is the ability to take a hit and NOT show any physical damage...Resilience is the ability to take a beating and keep on moving. Hulks durability SUCKS, he's reslience and HF are off the charts so it LOOKS a if he's durable but he's only just healing the damage that he's receiving.

I think there have been occasions where he's gotten a speed boost too (going by the 'mechanics' of his powerset, he obviously should get faster) but, I doubt it's supported very strongly in his history.

it's difficult enough having a character who is virtually unkillable, a loner, an anti-hero and frequently prone to explosive bursts of anger as the protagonist, without making him untouchable too.

who would be left to oppose him, if he was moving at the speed of Flash or something ... The Hulk is a tricky character to write, whilst keeping him Earthbound, unless you let him loose against entire teams of superheros, but then that gets old too... so you have to have him hold back and/or crippled by circumstances (Banner refusing to allow him to get stronger etc).

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol, and thos scans proves what sweetheart?That He can take a punch? I mean he WAS still bleeding...when i refer to Durability, people are STILL confusing it with Resilience!! It is not one and the same. Durability is the ability to take a hit and NOT show any physical damage...Resilience is the ability to take a beating and keep on moving. Hulks durability SUCKS, he's reslience and HF are off the charts so it LOOKS a if he's durable but he's only just healing the damage that he's receiving.

you don't like the character, fair enough, but you really shouldn't be challenging others when you have so transparently poor a grasp of the facts.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
lol, and thos scans proves what sweetheart?That He can take a punch? I mean he WAS still bleeding...when i refer to Durability, people are STILL confusing it with Resilience!! It is not one and the same. Durability is the ability to take a hit and NOT show any physical damage...Resilience is the ability to take a beating and keep on moving. Hulks durability SUCKS, he's reslience and HF are off the charts so it LOOKS a if he's durable but he's only just healing the damage that he's receiving.

k he bleeds, but he does that all the time no matter the strike/attack.

as dude posted earlier, hulk took the combined effects of two attacks hotter than the sun's surface without any damage, but he probably got kicked by some meta and bled a little around the same time. shit just falls that way

Hulks durability isn't shit but it's not Billy level either way Billy imo

Originally posted by janus77
your initial statement was ignorant, you have nothing much to back it up with. you then admit to not even knowing what you're talking about (you don't know what's been going on with WWH), yet you still think you're in a position to have a poke at someone else?

you don't like the character, fair enough, but you really shouldn't be challenging others when you have so transparently poor a grasp of the facts.

Now you have me confused. I stated i havent read the comics dealing with Red Hulk, WWH is just an incarnation of the characters' psyche. Which to my knowledge hasnt been seen since the saga. I also never stated i didnt like the character, whereas im an avid Hulk fangirl. Your trying to play me off as a troll. Captain Marvel/Superman etc..rarely if ever get stabbed, punctured, shot, etc by convential means, whereas Hulk does often. Im just stating the obvious that their durability is greater than his...

i mean the whole thread is nonsensical to begin wit since WBH is all hypothetical...his power is implied and never actually put to the test. its the same issue I would see with Devil Hulk the last so-called most powerful version of Hulk. There is no proof either are what the claimed.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Now you have me confused. I stated i havent read the comics dealing with Red Hulk, WWH is just an incarnation of the characters' psyche. Which to my knowledge hasnt been seen since the saga. I also never stated i didnt like the character, whereas im an avid Hulk fangirl. Your trying to play me off as a troll. Captain Marvel/Superman etc..rarely if ever get stabbed, punctured, shot, etc by convential means, whereas Hulk does often. Im just stating the obvious that their durability is greater than his...

i mean the whole thread is nonsensical to begin wit since WBH is all hypothetical...his power is implied and never actually put to the test. its the same issue I would see with Devil Hulk the last so-called most powerful version of Hulk. There is no proof either are what the claimed.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Now you have me confused. I stated i havent read the comics dealing with Red Hulk, WWH is just an incarnation of the characters' psyche. Which to my knowledge hasnt been seen since the saga. I also never stated i didnt like the character, whereas im an avid Hulk fangirl. Your trying to play me off as a troll. Captain Marvel/Superman etc..rarely if ever get stabbed, punctured, shot, etc by convential means, whereas Hulk does often. Im just stating the obvious that their durability is greater than his...

i mean the whole thread is nonsensical to begin wit since WBH is all hypothetical...his power is implied and never actually put to the test. its the same issue I would see with Devil Hulk the last so-called most powerful version of Hulk. There is no proof either are what the claimed.

the nature of hulk's power means that his previous feats can replicated and surpassed by greater fits of rage, wb was causing mass ruination just by meager movements, a physical fight would be asinine

OK take hulks HF out of the picture...Are you still saying that his durability is on the same tier as Supermen?

WORLDBREAKERHULK FOUGHT NOONE! Yes the eastern seaboard feat is grand, blah blah blah, but all your doing is speculating his fighting ability. Normally beings in comics who cant control their power output in comics self-destruct, whose to say that wouldnt happen? No1 because he didnt do anything after that.

WB hulk would be really hard to beat physcally...He takes this

Originally posted by Sin I AM
OK take hulks HF out of the picture...Are you still saying that his durability is on the same tier as Supermen?

WORLDBREAKERHULK FOUGHT NOONE! Yes the eastern seaboard feat is grand, blah blah blah, but all your doing is speculating his fighting ability. Normally beings in comics who cant control their power output in comics self-destruct, whose to say that wouldnt happen? No1 because he didnt do anything after that.

your dislike of the character is preventing you from forming a coherent argument for why "Hulk's durability is shite".

as far as other people can see, it is a dynamic attribute, like much else in the Hulk arsenal and it has many high-end feats like the Dogs of War feat or the planetary re-entry feat on Sakaar - where his HF was compromised all the time - or the nuclear blasts or the HT & Storm attacks or the Sakaar wormhole (which knocked Surfer out but didn't manage to do much to him)...

also, there's recent feats like completely shrugging off Rulk's attempts to drain him and all Rulk's attacks in that fight. or say tanking - literally walking through - Hiro's WorldMind powered attacks...

Originally posted by janus77
and are you still saying that his durability is "shite"?

your dislike of the character is preventing you from forming a coherent argument for why "Hulk's durability is shite".

as far as other people can see, it is a dynamic attribute, like much else in the Hulk arsenal and it has many high-end feats like the Dogs of War feat or the planetary re-entry feat on Sakaar - where his HF was compromised all the time - or the nuclear blasts or the HT & Storm attacks or the Sakaar wormhole (which knocked Surfer out but didn't manage to do much to him)...

also, there's recent feats like completely shrugging off Rulk's attempts to drain him and all Rulk's attacks in that fight. or say tanking - literally walking through - Skaar's WorldMind powered attacks...

Yes...actually i am. Without his HF Hulk would have been dead long ago, its his deus ex machina. His durability is NOT on par with DCs flying bricks, its his HF that keeps him in the fight. You havent answered the question, do you think he can withstand those attacks, without his HF?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yes...actually i am. Without his HF Hulk would have been dead long ago, its his deus ex machina. His durability is NOT on par with DCs flying bricks, its his HF that keeps him in the fight. You havent answered the question, do you think he can withstand those attacks, without his HF?

you have nothing valid to say, I just wanted your ridiculous position fully elaborated, in clear view of the real evidence to the contrary.

your waffle regarding deus ex machina is invalidated by your demonstrable ignorance of what you speak.

Adamantium bullet to the eye, that's pretty special there. it would be a guaranteed killshot if done to Wonder Woman.

HT's Nova blast at maximum power - would destroy Wonder Woman (she was shit scared of falling into the Sun ffs!).

Rulk's punches would kill her and seriously wreck Superman and CM, but Hulk shrugged them off.

you can't form a rational argument, at least not in support of your position that "Hulk's durability is shite".

I've referenced durability feats that would be impressive for Thor or Surfer, nevermind lesser characters..