Thanos vs Superman/WWH melee

Originally posted by ctnn1
So please explain how that qualifies as "beating" someone... lol

So I guess Hulk has beaten Galactus then. Galactus shot Hulk over, and over again to the point where the narrator says that Hulk drove him to a level no other being has in eons: "Enraged..."

Not verbatim, but I know it's very close. So going by the logic above, Hulk = Galactus... Especially since Thanos required a forcefield to stand up to Galactus' blast, and Hulk tanked shot after shot, after shot. lol So Hulk beats Thanos because he stood up to Galactus, who is far superior to Thanos.

How you like that logic? Ridiculous isn't it? 😄

If you came at me with a knife and I shot you, you would be defeated. It's what Europeans did to indiginous tribes for centuries.

Originally posted by carver9
That's why I said a long period of time. How strong was that version of thor PHYSICALLY that thanos fought? What about magus? We do know one thing though, thanos would have to survive blows that is FAR over the 100 trillion ton mark from hulk and the thing about this is his strength would be increasing in seconds... past this mark. Thanos is a beast physically but he isn't strong enough to prevent from being knocked out by suck force..

Okay you admit thanos is a beast correct? The doppleganger he fought was MORE powerful than him and it was a LONG drawn out fight. Yet he was never Ko'd or close to Ko'd. Some hits from Magus with the IG I would reckon is quite a bit more powerful than any blow from any hulk incarnation. As we saw.. Magus hiting something.. it was all over for some.

Originally posted by ctnn1
Did you simply fail to read the above post where I mentioned Drax punched his FIST through Thanos' chest? Do you somehow chalk that up to something other than blunt force?

FAR more than a "ko" there, and this is coming from an incarnation of Drax that is WEAKER than previous incarnations! (AKA - Weaker than WWH)

Did you even read the arc in question? Drax had his DNA altered to be able to give the killing blow to Thanos. Do you understand that concept? His DNA was altered to allow for him to be able to kill Thanos. This is why in there previous confrontation Drax was treated like a annoying little brother and soundly defeated time and time again. Yet after the altering... he had a weird green aura around him that lead to him being able to bypass his shields and deliver a killing blow... not because Thanos durability is weak or vulnerable to punches.. but because it was encoded in Drax DNA. I didn't think I had to explain such simple facts.. but I guess some are slow aroudn here.

Originally posted by ctnn1
[B]There seems to be a disparity here. First I see the demand for on panel proof of:

"Like what, when has Hulk/WWH ever beaten a Thanos lvl guy."

And after some back and forth, it leads to:

[QUOTE=13100785]Originally posted by Nihilist
[B]You are using someone inferior to Thanos as your example, but it fails in comparison. You need to use someone greater than Thanos, like for instance how Thanos took on PG Thor who is above any Hulk."

So you're in essence asking for proof Hulk has BEATEN a character of ______ level, and you're using as an example to back your argument Thanos "beating" PG Thor - Whilst concluding PG Thor is above Hulk.

The logical fallacy here is that you're giving yourself some massive leeway, as Thanos most certainly did NOT defeat PG Thor, nowhere near it.

Thanos was forced to resort to using a gun that created a forcefield that immobilized Thor, and he stated himself that they must hurry so that Thor does not break free.

Sound like a defeat to you? Nope. Otherwise, we could hypothetically hand that gun to Captain America, have him fire it at Thanos and then claim that Captain America defeats Thanos.

Thanos was as Pip put it "absorbing a lot of punishment" and showed no signs of coming anywhere near taking out Thor. So using this as an example of "character A beating B, and B beats C, so 1 must also beat C" is a fallacy, as it ignores the very important fact that Thanos quite simply did not win a physical battle in any way shape or form in that confrontation.

Thanos was unable in the time alloted anyway, to overcome Thor, and was forced to resort to using a weapon that is outside the scope of the battle described in this thread.

That being said, yes Thanos is a beast. But at the same time Thanos more often than not resorts to trickery and powers outside his own to win battles. (He does use physical prowess from time to time, but it's rare)

In a purely physical confrontation, the combination of Supes and WWH would be one heck of a challenge. Without the luxury of falling back on his little toys, or cheating with an outside power source I am of the opinion that he'd be down for the count.

Originally posted by ctnn1
Quite simply not true. Drax punched right through his chest and ripped his heart out. Seemed quite bloody to me.

Though it's not canon in the 616 universe of course, but even Wolverine completely severed Thanos' arm in a "What If". As my disclaimer states, I realize that it's a "What If" thus not 616, but it helps to establish the fact that Thanos can and has most certainly been harmed by equal, or lesser beings than Hulk.

Heck, the latest incarnation of Drax is considered inferior to the former Drax that Hulk tangled with.

Interesting that universal level entities who created Drax as a tool to slay Thanos created a being that is physically similar to the Hulk in strength (But lacking Hulks ability to increase his strength - As stated on panel!)

In other words, in the mind of a universal powered entity, a being with LESS physical strength is capable of defeating Thanos. (And did - Ripped his heart out) I would take this as a good sign that Hulk has what it takes to be a physical threat to Thanos' well being in a brawl.

Despite your claims to the otherwise, it seems on panel evidence would support my claim. Add in a near equal to Hulks strength, and a superior in terms of speed and other capabilities Superman just seals the deal.

Tell you what because im a nice guy i'll buy you a bag of "context" cement so you can fill in the massive gaping holes in your argument.

"Only Thor w/pgem has ever drawn blood from Thanos"

So when discussing a physical melee confrontation, you would describe the guy who was forced to pull a gun on his competition as "defeating" the other?

Interesting perspective. One would imagine most rational humans would consider that an indicator of quite the opposite.

Originally posted by Cockblocker
If you came at me with a knife and I shot you, you would be defeated. It's what Europeans did to indiginous tribes for centuries.

Originally posted by ctnn1
So when discussing a physical melee confrontation, you would describe the guy who was forced to pull a gun on his competition as "defeating" the other?

Interesting perspective. One would imagine most rational humans would consider that an indicator of quite the opposite.

It seems you have trouble undesrtanding PG Thor beat a higher calibre of guys at once than WWH ever did, and Thanos was physically equal to him.

This guy actually thought Drax beat Thanos... because he punched a hole through his chest and that is all that happened there LOL. I don't actually think he read the arc.. just the nice pictures at the end.

YES - The VERY same Drax who was considered ON PAR with the Hulk... THAT one... LOL Interesting how you skipped that interesting little tidbit. Just how desperate are you? (All in good fun, just throwing your own statements back at ya)

So please, explain to me how Drax, a being you just spoke of quite highly below, has been compared time and time again to the Hulk even by his team-mates (He's always described as "Non-Adrenalized Hulk level"😉 - Yet you continue to discount Hulk completely.

If Drax is a threat to Thanos (He obviously is) then so is Hulk.

Now I'll address your other comments point by point. Your comments will be in quotes:

"A true sign of desperation when someone tries to use a non cannon book a proof. I guess you missed that Gamoras god slayer blade broke on Thanos skin."

Not desperation at all. If you took even 5 seconds to get over yourself and read the comments, you'd see the disclaimer I placed above it. As I stated quite clearly (Perhaps it is you who needs the reading lessons?) it was not 616 canon. However, What if's ARE considered stories from various realities - Or alternate outcomes.

The fact that Marvel considers Wolverines claws as being able to completely sever Thanos' arms was an interesting side-note and presented solely as such. Had I known you'd get bent out of shape by the comment, I'd likely have thought better of including it.

I'm mystified by your choice to include Gamora's blade breaking on Thanos' skin. Yea? So? And?

Please complete your sentences and thoughts instead of abandoning them completely. I'm going to go out on a limb and attempt to decipher the point you were attempting to but ultimately failing to make.

I'm assuming your thought process was that Gamora's blade breaking on Thanos' skin precludes the possibility of other, "lesser" blades breaking his skin?

If that's your point, then I am appalled at your incredible lack of understanding of how comics work. See, any character can have high showings, as well as low showings.

One does not preclude the possibility of the other. Heck, in some comics Hulk is bullet proof, nuke proof, and even tanking shots from god-like entities. (Survived blasts stated to contain enough power to destroy small moons or planets) In others, he is cut by Wolverine, and healing from previously ineffective attacks. Same applies to every other character out there.

See? You cannot cherry-pick. Take the good with the bad, and average them out. Kind of makes your previous point moot. (Assuming I correctly deciphered your incomplete thought that is...)

"When did you ever see previous incarnations of Drax radiating with energy and tearing through Thanos shields with ease before."

Stop dodging my point. Did you or did you not know of Drax smashing through Thanos' chest? If you did, then why did you make the statement that NO ONE has made Thanos bleed other than PG Thor?

Kind of kills your credibility when you knowingly make false statements such as this just to root for your favorite character eh? Please be mindful of accuracy and truthful statements if you can?

(Or you forgot - But that's hard to swallow and equally embarassing)

"I must have missed the retcon of Hulks origin to have it encoded into his DNA to be able to destroy Thanos, and like i said before Drax was created by near abstract lvl being, not a gamma blast."

Ahhh - Bringing empty rhetoric and sarcasm to the debate because you have nothing better to add? No worries, I'm used to folks such as yourself reverting to type when they're running on fumes.

Please show where I made a claim that Hulk had "anti-Thanos" powers? Oh I didn't? Well that just makes your comment rhetoric filled sarcasm then doesn't it?

See, your old pal Drax NEEDED the "anti-Thanos" boost as he was nowhere near the man he had been in his previous incarnation. Several powers were stripped from him.

In his previous incarnation Drax was a walking tank with energy blasts, flight, PG and more. He was compared to Hulk at his non-adrenalized peak."

So what you have is a downgraded Drax taking out Thanos, and a much, much more powerful Hulk (Professor Hulk was a joke - Strength increases were the slowest in coming as Banner really kept him in check) in WWH that you're completely discounting.

So wimpier Drax (With a Anti-THanos boost) is somehow powerful enough to smash through Thanos chest and rip out his heart, yet WWH and Supes, both with superior planet busting strength levels (And ridiculous speed potential for Supes) can't even knock the guy out?

Interesting thought process there bud!

I love how you bring up the powerful entity that created Drax. Without the power gem, Drax was equal to Hulk before Hulk gets angry right? Previous Drax never displayed the anti-Thanos power before despite being in contact with THanos on many occassions.

Yet this "entity" who created Drax saw fit to give him a stength/power level on par with Hulk... What's that tell you about Hulks level then, seeing as how he could EASILY surpass Drax without the PG????

Simple math there my friend!

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Have the arc right here my friend. In that confrontation, who was the winner, and who was the loser? Did I claim permanent death, or otherwise? Nope. Merely used the word "beat." But thanks for your ill-informed assumption!

Shall I type out the page numbers and text contained within to prove I have it in hand? Naaaaah... Not worth it!

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This guy actually thought Drax beat Thanos... because he punched a hole through his chest and that is all that happened there LOL. I don't actually think he read the arc.. just the nice pictures at the end.

Originally posted by ctnn1
Have the arc right here my friend. In that confrontation, who was the winner, and who was the loser? Did I claim permanent death, or otherwise? Nope. Merely used the word "beat." But thanks for your ill-informed assumption!

Shall I type out the page numbers and text contained within to prove I have it in hand? Naaaaah... Not worth it!

I'm really confused here... So a strong drax with more powers and a the PG is made to look like a weak feeb against Thanos. He's punked time and time again when he confronts Thanos.... Yet after a weaker drax had his DNA SPECIFICALLY altered so he could kill Thanos.. was able to do so and you see no link to the DNA encoding? WTF. Simple question... Did drax being genetically altered have anything to do with him being able to kill Thanos? Simple question

Really? Name one character that PG Thor beat who was more powerful than ZOM powered strange and Sentry?

ZOM if you recall had to be dealt with by the Living Tribunal. Even a SLIVER of Zoms power is considered a universal threat to reality. A sliver. To tank those attacks is one heck of a feat. Debate Sentry all you like, but he has easily handled heralds as if they were no more than a mere after-thought.

The characters above easily match and/or exceed the characters PG Thor fought. Unless there's anyone I missed? If so then feel free to tack them on here.

"It seems you have trouble undesrtanding PG Thor beat a higher calibre of guys at once than WWH ever did, and Thanos was physically equal to him."

You're right about one thing... You are indeed confused! Please tell me where I stated there was no link to the DNA encoding? I think you'll find that I did not make such a claim; which begs the question... What, are you talking about?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm really confused here... So a strong drax with more powers and a the PG is made to look like a weak feeb against Thanos. He's punked time and time again when he confronts Thanos.... Yet after a weaker drax had his DNA SPECIFICALLY altered so he could kill Thanos.. was able to do so and you see no link to the DNA encoding? WTF. Simple question... Did drax being genetically altered have anything to do with him being able to kill Thanos? Simple question

Originally posted by ctnn1
YES - The VERY same Drax who was considered ON PAR with the Hulk... THAT one... LOL Interesting how you skipped that interesting little tidbit. Just how desperate are you? (All in good fun, just throwing your own statements back at ya)

So please, explain to me how Drax, a being you just spoke of quite highly below, has been compared time and time again to the Hulk even by his team-mates (He's always described as "Non-Adrenalized Hulk level"😉 - Yet you continue to discount Hulk completely.

If Drax is a threat to Thanos (He obviously is) then so is Hulk.

Now I'll address your other comments point by point. Your comments will be in quotes:

"A true sign of desperation when someone tries to use a non cannon book a proof. I guess you missed that Gamoras god slayer blade broke on Thanos skin."

Not desperation at all. If you took even 5 seconds to get over yourself and read the comments, you'd see the disclaimer I placed above it. As I stated quite clearly (Perhaps it is you who needs the reading lessons?) it was not 616 canon. However, What if's ARE considered stories from various realities - Or alternate outcomes.

The fact that Marvel considers Wolverines claws as being able to completely sever Thanos' arms was an interesting side-note and presented solely as such. Had I known you'd get bent out of shape by the comment, I'd likely have thought better of including it.

I'm mystified by your choice to include Gamora's blade breaking on Thanos' skin. Yea? So? And?

Please complete your sentences and thoughts instead of abandoning them completely. I'm going to go out on a limb and attempt to decipher the point you were attempting to but ultimately failing to make.

I'm assuming your thought process was that Gamora's blade breaking on Thanos' skin precludes the possibility of other, "lesser" blades breaking his skin?

If that's your point, then I am appalled at your incredible lack of understanding of how comics work. See, any character can have high showings, as well as low showings.

One does not preclude the possibility of the other. Heck, in some comics Hulk is bullet proof, nuke proof, and even tanking shots from god-like entities. (Survived blasts stated to contain enough power to destroy small moons or planets) In others, he is cut by Wolverine, and healing from previously ineffective attacks. Same applies to every other character out there.

See? You cannot cherry-pick. Take the good with the bad, and average them out. Kind of makes your previous point moot. (Assuming I correctly deciphered your incomplete thought that is...)

"When did you ever see previous incarnations of Drax radiating with energy and tearing through Thanos shields with ease before."

Stop dodging my point. Did you or did you not know of Drax smashing through Thanos' chest? If you did, then why did you make the statement that NO ONE has made Thanos bleed other than PG Thor?

Kind of kills your credibility when you knowingly make false statements such as this just to root for your favorite character eh? Please be mindful of accuracy and truthful statements if you can?

"I must have missed the retcon of Hulks origin to have it encoded into his DNA to be able to destroy Thanos, and like i said before Drax was created by near abstract lvl being, not a gamma blast."

Ahhh - Bringing empty rhetoric and sarcasm to the debate because you have nothing better to add? No worries, I'm used to folks such as yourself reverting to type when they're running on fumes.

Please show where I made a claim that Hulk had "anti-Thanos" powers? Oh I didn't? Well that just makes your comment rhetoric filled sarcasm then doesn't it?

See, your old pal Drax NEEDED the "anti-Thanos" boost as he was nowhere near the man he had been in his previous incarnation. Several powers were stripped from him.

In his previous incarnation Drax was a walking tank with energy blasts, flight, PG and more. He was compared to Hulk at his non-adrenalized peak."

So what you have is a downgraded Drax taking out Thanos, and a much, much more powerful Hulk (Professor Hulk was a joke - Strength increases were the slowest in coming as Banner really kept him in check) in WWH that you're completely discounting.

So wimpier Drax (With a Anti-THanos boost) is somehow powerful enough to smash through Thanos chest and rip out his heart, yet WWH and Supes, both with superior planet busting strength levels (And ridiculous speed potential for Supes) can't even knock the guy out?

I love how you bring up the powerful entity that created Drax. Without the power gem, Drax was equal to Hulk before Hulk gets angry right? Previous Drax never displayed the anti-Thanos power before despite being in contact with THanos on many occassions.

Yet this "entity" who created Drax saw fit to give him a stength/power level on par with Hulk... What's that tell you about Hulks level then, seeing as how he could EASILY surpass Drax without the PG????

Simple math there my friend!

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Originally posted by ctnn1
You're right about one thing... You are indeed confused! Please tell me where I stated there was no link to the DNA encoding? I think you'll find that I did not make such a claim; which begs the question... What, are you talking about?

There ya go, so you using drax doing anything to Thanos as proof of what others could do fails miserably right? No other character has such a DNA encoding in them. So when I ask.. name me one instance of Thanos being KO'd via blunt force... your answer of drax.. really wasn't a very good one.. consdiering by your own admission it was encoded in his DNA to do so... while others don't have that same luxury.. certainly not any version of hulk. Understand now?

Originally posted by ctnn1
[B]Really? Name one character that PG Thor beat who was more powerful than ZOM powered strange and Sentry?

That was a powerless Dr Strange that WWH fought, who was channeling a fraction of Zoms souls(confirmed by Wong) WWH only stalemated Sentry after having 7 free punches aswell.

ZOM if you recall had to be dealt with by the Living Tribunal. Even a SLIVER of Zoms power is considered a universal threat to reality. A sliver. To tank those attacks is one heck of a feat. Debate Sentry all you like, but he has easily handled heralds as if they were no more than a mere after-thought.

What Herlad lvl guys did he treat as a after thought? because WWH only beat high meta/street lvl guys.

The characters above easily match and/or exceed the characters PG Thor fought. Unless there's anyone I missed? If so then feel free to tack them on here.

Zom soul as i explained was defeated by Herc/Archangel so it doesnt have a great track record.

"It seems you have trouble undesrtanding PG Thor beat a higher calibre of guys at once than WWH ever did, and Thanos was physically equal to him."

Hulk Healing factor will be in overdrive of the Butt Rape Thanos will surely be doing

Once again you have failed to answer a very simple question I see. Please answer it. Did you, or did you not know that Drax smashed his fist through Thanos' chest? Stop with your silly comments about "context" and just answer the question. Very simple yes or no question.

You stated definitively that no one other than Thor with the PG had made Thanos bleed. Now that you were caught in a lie, you desperately attempt to back-pedal. Kind of humorous to watch though!

Please try to stick with the facts next time mmmkay? Now you're claiming that "what I meant was without special circumstance" If that's the case, then why did Thor bear mentioning with the Power Gem (Is that not a special circumstance?) but Drax left out?

Seems you cannot admit either a mistake, or deception. One or the other. I suppose we could chalk it up to poor communication skills, as you seem to be rather lacking in that department as well. (Could you do something about that please?) Oh well. Seems the education system just isn't quite what it used to be...

I will address your other comments later on as I find the time as I must step out for the morning. Please keep the entertainment coming!

"When did you ever see previous incarnations of Drax radiating with energy and tearing through Thanos shields with ease before."

Stop dodging my point. Did you or did you not know of Drax smashing through Thanos' chest? If you did, then why did you make the statement that NO ONE has made Thanos bleed other than PG Thor?

seriously how slow are you? can you not understand what context is. Its not hard grasp what i meant, without any special circumstances no one has(like a plot device) 😱

Something being able to do something to someone else because of weakness exploitation, isn't a valid example as a normal durability showing for Thanos nor what someone could normally do to Thanos.

Team should still win.