Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Baby was better than any Shenron.
Seriously you think that baby could beat omega shenron, how can someone who was completely owned by super saiyan 4 goku suddenly beat someone who completely owned two super saiyan 4's who have surpassed there limits to the point of equalling or even surpassing syn shenron. Sure the baby that transformed into a golden oozaru was powerful enough to equal or at least rival super saiyan 4 goku but goku and his enemies do quite a bit of improving since then.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
^ I assumed he was talking about Broly's fight against Goten, Gohan & Trunks. But that's moot as only Gohan went SS2 in that fight.
I didn't. I thought he was talking about his fight against him in Movie 8. That SSJ2 form is much weaker than the previous version we saw at the Cell games as stated by Vegeta when Gohan was fighting Dabura.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah man, just like how Gohan mopped the floor with him while he was SSJ2.Wait...
"That SSJ2 form is much weaker than the previous version we saw at the Cell games as stated by Vegeta when Gohan was fighting Dabura."
Originally posted by NemeBro
True, but it was still a SSJ2.Gohan was weaker due to lack of training, yes, but Broly also utterly stomped SSJ2 Gohan like an insect. The gap between SSJ, hell, even FSSJ and SSJ2 is huge.
what made you guys think he went super saiyan 2, he should of but he didn't. I know there isn't much difference in appearance between super saiyans 1 and 2 but come on show some observation.
^ So you think Gohan would allow Broly to not only steamroll through him, but also his brother, lover, and friends, without using his maximum level of power (ie. SSJ2)? Unlikely.
Furthermore, a few of Gohan's attacks actually seemed to harm Broly to a degree... And considering Gohan was supposed to be significantly weaker during that period then he was during the Cell games, it's unlikely that his attacks as a standard SSJ would have affected Broly in the slightest.
^ There were 2 attacks I noticed that knocked Broly back. Also, at one point Gohan (albeit briefly) overpowered Broly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAMZIuiWAMA
(1:51)
Yeah, there's just no way Gohan (who, again, was a -lot- weaker during this period of time then he was in the Cell games) would be able to faze Broly -whatsoever- as a standard SSJ. Plus, it simply wouldn't be in character for Gohan to allow himself, his brother, and his friends/lover to get utterly pummeled, without powering up to his max.
Originally posted by NemeBroAt 1:51 in the above link, Gohan overcame the arm hold Broly had him in with his own raw strength (despite having no leverage.) In the actual movie it's a bit more discernible because you can hear Broly struggling... But on youtube, everyone is a friggin' music editor, it seems. srsly
When did he overpower Broly?
Originally posted by NemeBroDuring the 25th World Tournament (Buu saga), Gohan went SSJ2 vs. Kibito. After doing so, Vegeta said he was a lot stronger back when he fought Cell -- and Goku agreed.
Also, I have to ask: Where is this Gohan being a "lot" weaker than the Cell Games shit coming from?Gohan said he has not trained, but when was it ever specified how much weaker he was?
ermmno
-Gohan-
"I'm not just going to go Super Saiyan. I'll even take it a step farther":
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Powers up to a SSJ2 (as evident by the trademark lightning bolts around him):
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-Gohan-
"I'm now past a Super Saiyan."
-Vegeta-
"He's not even close to the level he was at when he fought Cell... He got caught up in peace and stopped training":
