Adam Magus vs. Larfleeze

Originally posted by Bentley
He could've used them or not, as I said, what he did was well within his powers either way. But he did have those energies to work around. And your second statement is plain false btw, we don't need an on panel statement to assume he uses the energies. He had them around and it would have hindered him not to use them, the faith engines and the temporal weakness was aknowledged twice on panel, it heavily implies Magus had access to an external source. You're free to believe otherwise, I just bring it to the table so others take it into consideration.

I don't say he loses to a GL because I assume anything like that. He just didn't do anything above high herald to presume he can beat a GL fair and square. Illusions doesn't equal sheer power.

You can't prove Magus wins, the offensive abilities he displayed are nothing that could put GL down, let alone AO.

He wasn't just all illusions he had to fake it since the cc was brought into play.

Yes, i can. I can prove he easily takes the orange battery from Larfleeze like I already did with a scan. He also has extreme skill and is far too crafty for Larfleeze.

It seems to me that you can't prove Magus wasn't using faith energies, and since I have bases to believe so it's a fair interpretation.

In the other hand Larfleeze can -easily- thrash him with constructs without getting near him. Prove Magus can get close enough to AO to use his fetching spell before he gets scattered around by constructs.

Originally posted by Bentley
It seems to me that you can't prove Magus wasn't using faith energies, and since I have bases to believe so it's a fair interpretation.

In the other hand Larfleeze can -easily- thrash him with constructs without getting near him. Prove Magus can get close enough to AO to use his fetching spell before he gets scattered around by constructs.

You need to prove he uses his faith energies for combat since it's your claim.

He can go astral and appear right near him and then easily take it away.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, we see it stated on panel when he uses the energies for the tremendous feat. The writer makes it clear when he does use it.

You need to prove he uses his faith energies for combat since it's your claim.

I already explained to you that both Kang and Magus claimed that at the time he wasn't powerful enough to face the Cosmic Cube, Magus claimed he would be -because of the Faith energy he was gathering- simply because he always uses the faith engines to fight when they're available (another example: When he faced Nova in Thanos Imperative Ignition). You're the one who decides to CIS assume he wouldn't use those energies because you want a clear statement.

I don't get why you cherry pick showings with certain characters btw. It took much less to convince you Void is impossible to beat that what I'm explaining to you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He can go astral and appear right near him and then easily take it away.

Moving in the astral plane doesn't change your position in the physical world. AO can always move too fast for Magus to tag or keep constructs defending him and his battery. The battle plan you describe assumes Magus will know for the get to go how to attack Larfleeze and that Larf will have no defense or whatsoever.

Originally posted by Bentley
I already explained to you that both Kang and Magus claimed that at the time he wasn't powerful enough to face the Cosmic Cube, Magus claimed he would be -because of the Faith energy he was gathering- simply because he always uses the faith engines to fight when they're available (another example: When he faced Nova in Thanos Imperative Ignition). You're the one who decides to CIS assume he wouldn't use those energies because you want a clear statement.

I don't get why you cherry pick showings with certain characters btw. It took much less to convince you Void is impossible to beat that what I'm explaining to you.

Moving in the astral plane doesn't change your position in the physical world. AO can always move too fast for Magus to tag or keep constructs defending him and his battery. The battle plan you describe assumes Magus will know for the get to go how to attack Larfleeze and that Larf will have no defense or whatsoever.

It's already power in character for him to use which he has access to just like Larfleeze can use his constructs through his battery.

Yes, it does. We've seen his battery taken how many times yet you claim it's a hard thing to do. Nah. The hard thing is getting in close proximity which Magus can do and easily. He can even fake his own death while doing so.

Larf uses his constructs and is a greedy fool when someone comes into close contact we've seen how stupid he is and never seen anything different from him.

Magus had access to the faith engines because the ships of the Church of Truth were still there, Kang said he would recover his power after just a few seconds and Magus admitted he destroyed the faith engines himself so the machines which generate the energy were still there. The real question is: Would Magus hold back those energies he had already in hand against a Cosmic Cube just for the kicks? I think not.

Originally posted by Bentley
Magus had access to the faith engines because the ships of the Church of Truth were still there, Kang said he would recover his power after just a few seconds and Magus admitted he destroyed the faith engines himself so the machines which generate the energy were still there. The real question is: Would Magus hold back those energies he had already in hand against a Cosmic Cube just for the kicks? I think not.

Magus used those energies to save all of reality he had none left and all those energies still can't beat a cc user.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magus used those energies to save all of reality he had none left and all those energies still can't beat a cc user.

Prove the energies were gone.

Originally posted by Bentley
Prove the energies were gone.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I always say that when I don't want to derail the thread. I gave solid reasoning and backed it up whereas my detractors have not.

De-rail the thread? Stay on topic? You mention Thanos almost every time you post and he isn't even in this thread 🙄
Don't tell others to "stay on topic" until you do so yourself...

Originally posted by quanchi112
We don't assume everytime he uses his power it's due to the engines only when they state as much.

The engines were there, he had to match a Cosmic Cube. He stated he destroyed the faith engines to protect his escape, why would it be natural for the ships to explode after Magus died? The reason: He was tapping into their power and the Cosmic cube had him beat, it was a trick, but Magus was tapping into their power.

Not everything has to be explicitly told to be understood, this is a graphic and subjective media.

Originally posted by TheGame17
De-rail the thread? Stay on topic? You mention Thanos almost every time you post and he isn't even in this thread 🙄
Don't tell others to "stay on topic" until you do so yourself...

Originally posted by Bentley
The engines were there, he had to match a Cosmic Cube. He stated he destroyed the faith engines to protect his escape, why would it be natural for the ships to explode after Magus died? The reason: He was tapping into their power and the Cosmic cube had him beat, it was a trick, but Magus was tapping into their power.

Not everything has to be explicitly told to be understood, this is a graphic and subjective media.

You need to prove it. You are simply speculating like usual.

If you make a claim you need to prove it. That's how debating works.

Debating is rethorics and persuation, you don't prove stuff over subjective medias.

But let's assume I can prove or I can persuade you -I can't, you're stuborn-, the case would be: I already did. The two dialogues, Kang's and Magus's point towards the fact he used the faith engines, the fake destruction of the engines too, while you think those dialogues didn't mean a thing I assume they were meant to fill that part of the plot that was left stranded. I'm not actually debating with you, I'm explaining my interpretation of the book I read.

Originally posted by Bentley
Debating is rethorics and persuation, you don't prove stuff over subjective medias.

But let's assume I can prove or I can persuade you -I can't, you're stuborn-, the case would be: I already did. The two dialogues, Kang's and Magus's point towards the fact he used the faith engines, the fake destruction of the engines too, while you think those dialogues didn't mean a thing I assume they were meant to fill that part of the plot that was left stranded. I'm not actually debating with you, I'm explaining my interpretation of the book I read.

The guy is full of power and craftiness without the fiath engines and a real monster with them at his disposal.

AO still wins.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
AO still wins.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
AO still wins.