Originally posted by inimalist
link?
I'm watching on telly, try here
Originally posted by inimalist
is this in response to University tuitions then?
Yes; but, that's the tip of the iceberg in dissent at the moment, Britain and indeed Europe is very fragmented at the moment and that's not just the borders between nations. It's more the people... Vs the establishment, be it our politicians or the banks etc.. We distrust: Everything!
it will be interesting to see
there is precedence from the French student riots, however. They were only taken seriously once they were joined by major labour unions, and once the unions were sold out by the French Communist Party and sent back to work, nobody took the students seriously anymore.
God, it would be amazing if they accomplished something here, but young folk just don't have anything to leverage against the system
EDIT: kettled?
Originally posted by inimalist
it will be interesting to seethere is precedence from the French student riots, however. They were only taken seriously once they were joined by major labour unions, and once the unions were sold out by the French Communist Party and sent back to work, nobody took the students seriously anymore.
God, it would be amazing if they accomplished something here, but young folk just don't have anything to leverage against the system
EDIT: kettled?
It's a tactic the Police have used since the G20 riots (surround and forcibly contain) I said when people had numbers on the Police they'd do it back.
All these things in Europe overlap G20 the banks, etc....
We've done this shit before in the U.K. many times look up Brixton and Toxeth or the Poll Tax demos.
Quite why you would cheer on the deeply unpleasant spectacle of clueless crowds attacking the police- who have been acting with an exceptionally soft touch as of late- is beyond me. An exceptionally distasteful viewpoint.
Luckily, the have no widespread public support, and their position is ludicrous anyway.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Quite why you would cheer on the deeply unpleasant spectacle of clueless crowds attacking the police- who have been acting with an exceptionally soft touch as of late- is beyond me. An exceptionally distasteful viewpoint.Luckily, the have no widespread public support, and their position is ludicrous anyway.
I don't see charging students with the cavalry as soft, that's perhaps just me though.
The definition of 'charging' is being applied quite broadly there. You like the idea of brutal horses trampling innocent civilians underfoot, but no such thing happened. I don't see the kind of mass injuries that you conjure up an image of when you say such a thing.
The tenor of the protests has not been one of police brutality- if anything, it has been one of the police losing control because they have not been firm enough.
Of course, all that has simply further cost the students what support they had. A great deal of them are selfish, clueless fools.
Originally posted by Free_Speech
We've done this shit before in the U.K. many times look up Brixton and Toxeth or the Poll Tax demos.
thats what I mean though
in those other examples, it wasn't just students who were rioting, but large numbers of people from all parts of society. Their involvement gives the protest some ability to make demands against the state.
If it is just students, it will be incredibly difficult for them to effect any change. They need the support from organized labour. I don't know if that still exists in the UK though...
You go on consoling yourself with such babble. In the mean time, this protests will be remembered only for one thing- how pointless they were. No major party supports their position; there's no will for what they want, the universities themselves have asked for these means and all possible serious studies on the issue have concluded that this is the only way. And most people are fine with that. The scare stories of this keeping people away from university have absolutely no foundation.
Those who have issued with the Lib Dems on this are just showing ignorance of how a Coalition works. The selfishness on display is unbelievable.
People like yourself, free speech, are a far worse example for anyone than any police here.
Originally posted by inimalist
thats what I mean thoughin those other examples, it wasn't just students who were rioting, but large numbers of people from all parts of society. Their involvement gives the protest some ability to make demands against the state.
If it is just students, it will be incredibly difficult for them to effect any change. They need the support from organized labour. I don't know if that still exists in the UK though...
It's not just students even the Police are worried about the cost to their children.... The Majority of the House are not for this. The vote may be very close indeed.
Originally posted by inimalist
thats what I mean thoughin those other examples, it wasn't just students who were rioting, but large numbers of people from all parts of society. Their involvement gives the protest some ability to make demands against the state.
If it is just students, it will be incredibly difficult for them to effect any change. They need the support from organized labour. I don't know if that still exists in the UK though...
Whether it did or did not, they'll never get any such support. They are complete alone in a selfish, illogical and unsupported position.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
You go on consoling yourself with such babble. In the mean time, this protests will be remembered only for one thing- how pointless they were. No major party supports their position; there's no will for what they want, the universities themselves have asked for these means and all possible serious studies on the issue have concluded that this is the only way. And most people are fine with that. The scare stories of this keeping people away from university have absolutely no foundation.Those who have issued with the Lib Dems on this are just showing ignorance of how a Coalition works. The selfishness on display is unbelievable.
People like yourself, free speech, are a far worse example for anyone than any police here.
We'll see who wins the vote 😉
Originally posted by Free_Speech
It's not just students even the Police are worried about the cost to their children.... The Majority of the House are not for this. The vote may be very close indeed.
The majority of the House? Labour is only voting against as an attack on the coalition. I'll remind you that Labour INTRODUCED tuition fees, and it was Labour that first rejectded a graduate tax as unworkable. The majority of the House supports such fees.
The cost to children is a complete red herring of an argument.