Clint Barton vs Kitty Pryde

Originally posted by the ninjak
He still doubts himself deep down. And Jean's teachings keep him at arms length at truly trusting Emma. He just uses her for sex and telepathic protection for the team. He is a player of the highest calibre and still struggles with the most profound of inner demons that even Emma can't penetrate.....hence the BOX!

The box was strong enough to entrap a Void imprint. Which is huge. Scott is the ultimate rebel....a true goth. Ever since day one, Jean knew this, she saw in him true intent of nobility....true sacrifice. That's why Xavier forged him as the true Xman. Capable of making the choices even he couldn't.

Scott has a while to go. And when he gets there he'll make Vulcan look like a waste of potential.there is a reason why Jean, Emma and Psylocke found him irresistable and had to have him. Logan has marvelled at him on occasions.

They have been steering cykes towards the role Magneto used to fulfill for a while now. I would have been cool with this, if the execution had been better. But in the end they took a dump over all the characters envolved, cykes, chuck and mags.

Originally posted by -Pr-

he does doubt himself, yes, but it's a lot less than it was before. he did trust emma implicitly, though i don't know if they've gone and ruined that yet.

Well he didn't tell her about X-Force until Beast demanded he and Emma come clean about everything.

Edit: Don't worry, I'll always remember you as a Cyke fanboy petpet 😛

Originally posted by 753
Goths are rebels? Anyway, Scott is turning Emo if anything. And the whole 'cykes is even more of an x-man than chuck' has already gone down the drain. Chuck may have been retconned into a much bigger ******* than we all knew he was, but he sure as hell wasn't putting seek and destroy missions toghether.

They have been steering cykes towards the role Magneto used to fulfill for a while now. I would have been cool with this, if it the execution had been better.

Scott had no choice in a world where his species numbers were less than 400.
Xforce's re-employment was an enivitable decision that I would have made myself.
Mankind is an opportunistic species that would have eradicated mutantkind the second vunerabilitility presented itself. And in comic world it did.
Bastion, Cults even Vampires seeked to absorb or destroy them and Scott made the right decisions.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Agreed he let her in full stomp to test his limits.
Which she herself has stated to still infuriate her due to his solid defences.
His mind is an enigma.
A riddle that is still to be unravelled.
The Stoic leader that perceives the world around him behind an unbreakable barrier and shoots forward.
Something an oppotunist like Emma and Xavier could NEVER understand.

disagree, tbh. emma is his partner, not his adversary. the box is not an attempt to hide from her, it's to protect her (assuming he still uses it).

Originally posted by The Pict
Well he didn't tell her about X-Force until Beast demanded he and Emma come clean about everything.

Edit: Don't worry, I'll always remember you as a Cyke fanboy petpet 😛

what you're referencing is part of the character assassination i call current x-men. he should have told her.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Scott had no choice in a world where his species numbers were less than 400.
Xforce's re-employment was an enivitable decision that I would have made myself.
Mankind is an opportunistic species that would have eradicated mutantkind the second vunerabilitility presented itself. And in comic world it did.
Bastion, Cults even Vampires seeked to absorb or destroy them and Scott made the right decisions.

But more importantly, Magneto had been right all along - at least in Cyclop's eyes, even if he didn't realize their growing similarities at first. When push came to shove, cykes became convinced that separatism, autonomy and organized violence were the only ways to protect his kind from erradication.

Originally posted by 753
I don't disagree that his choices were necessary or at least productive given the circumstances. But it wasnt x-manly of him to make them.

But more importantly, Magneto had been right all along - at least in Cyclop's eyes, even if he didn't realize their growing similarities at first. When push came to shove, cykes became convinced that separatism, autonomy and organized violence were the only ways to protect his kind from erradication.

there's nothing with protecting his people. it's his methods...

there is nothing clint can do to kitty.

I don't think kitty gets her powers for this thread right?
No powers Clint wins.
With powers kitty wins.

Either way they has some adult fun afterwards

Originally posted by -Pr-
disagree, tbh. emma is his partner, not his adversary. the box is not an attempt to hide from her, it's to protect her (assuming he still uses it).

what you're referencing is part of the character assassination i call current x-men. he should have told her.

He must still use the 'box' as part of the Void is trapped within it (as far as I know anyway, few issues behind Uncanny'😉

Doesn't trust her as much as he would Jean, perhaps?

But yeah this is a bad interpretation of the character, a big "**** you" to his fairly consistent history. Started before Fraction though, with X-Force.

Originally posted by The Pict
He must still use the 'box' as part of the Void is trapped within it (as far as I know anyway, few issues behind Uncanny'😉

Doesn't trust her as much as he would Jean, perhaps?

But yeah this is a bad interpretation of the character, a big "**** you" to his fairly consistent history. Started before Fraction though, with X-Force.

well yeah, to keep the void contained.

i actually think he trusts her more than he ever did jean.

tbh, anything after brubaker, for me, was the start of it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
there's nothing with protecting his people. it's his methods...

Originally posted by 753
huh?

his ends aren't justified by his means, etc,

Originally posted by -Pr-
his ends aren't justified by his means, etc,

Originally posted by 753
Right, I'm not arguing my view on the morality of his actions. My point is that he arrived at the conclusion that the end do justify the means, just like magneto did before him and that this process has been growing for a while.

with cyclops, its out of character for me, and it's only something that came along with kyle/yost, and fraction.

Originally posted by -Pr-
with cyclops, its out of character for me, and it's only something that came along with kyle/yost, and fraction.

I can't argue with that, because of that Emma has suffered gravely or that could have just down to Fraction.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I remember Wolverine saying that she'd go ninja on him in AXM Gifted when she asked is he going to fight all the members of the faculty. I'd say she still has it, I don't remember her ever needing to go H2H with someone recently. Maybe X-Treme X-Men.

(old, but whatever)

But she also says in Astonishing that she is "not a fighter like you guys," in reference to the rest of the X-Men. Logan hints that she could go all ninja on him in a fight, sure, but after the team established that she is largely there to be the unintimidating posterchild.

If powers aren't included, I'll take Hawkeye in both.

Originally posted by King Castle
true... cyclops is better trained with more on panel showings of skill and feats... i concurexcellent

Kitty openly admits she hasn't retained any of Ogun's training in the same series she gained it. All she's got is Logan's tutelage.

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