Originally posted by carver9
Surfer creates a black hole and red sun taking out most of the JLA and thr rest clean up.
Congrats on Surfer commiting harakiri I guess?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer almost died in the last black hole he was in. Superman and Green Lantern can save anyone in JLA from a black hole. Heck, a rookie GL saved a whole planet inside a black hole for decades.Congrats on Surfer commiting harakiri I guess?
He's endured black holes, so I don't get your point. He creates them with ease and stomps afterwards.
Gotcha. Lately red sun light and magic has been wrecking him. It's a huge weakness for him that everyone knows about and tend to use it effectively. Surfer has shown he can create suns, even while weakened, and he would know of this weakness during the onset since it is publicly a known weakness for Supes. He creates multiple red suns on the battle field along with black holes and that would take care of most of the team. The annihilators cleans up the rest.
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha. Lately red sun light and magic has been wrecking him. It's a huge weakness for him that everyone knows about and tend to use it effectively. Surfer has shown he can create suns, even while weakened, and he would know of this weakness during the onset since it is publicly a known weakness for Supes. He creates multiple red suns on the battle field along with black holes and that would take care of most of the team. The annihilators cleans up the rest.
I just wanted to point out that events in Superman/Batman (with Floronic Man) that you were posting the other day, take place when Superman was much younger. Later events are like when Bizarro has 5d imp magic boosting him.
And is this before or after everyone gets their speed stolen?
Originally posted by Deadline
CIS (excluding Flash..maybe)?
Originally posted by -Pr-
CIS being on doesn't make him fight like an idiot, though. It just makes him less likely to IMP from the get-go.
Originally posted by Deadline
That could also mean he doesn't start at FTL speed as well.
Originally posted by -Pr-
not really. he's not going to let himself get hit, so if he needs to break that barrier, he will.
Damn. Pr laying on some knowledge all the way back when.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I just wanted to point out that events in Superman/Batman (with Floronic Man) that you were posting the other day, take place when Superman was much younger. Later events are like when Bizarro has 5d imp magic boosting him.And is this before or after everyone gets their speed stolen?
They don't get their speed stolen. Also, Surfer while weakened created a star that brought light to an entire planet...
Surfer later in the issue was shooting this sh** like candy...
Surfer creates a black hole that takes care of most of the team, creates a red sun that lights up the entire battlefield and the annihilators clean up. Surfer makes this an easy battle tbh.
Originally posted by carver9
They don't get their speed stolen. Also, Surfer while weakened created a star that brought light to an entire planet...Surfer creates a black hole that takes care of most of the team, creates a red sun that lights up the entire battlefield and the annihilators clean up. Surfer makes this an easy battle tbh.
Nice scans, but none of this shows the Annihilators resisting speed steal.
Also, just to be clear - you are using Surfer's average level, his average showings, right?
Originally posted by carver9
Flash would be busy trying to resist a black hole. He doesnt have the showings.
Then you will need to prove how quickly Surfer creates black holes, then.
Because we have Superman, WW (with her lasso! She blitzed Amazo, don't you know!) and Flash all being pretty fast. MMH and Aquaman with telepathy (which trumps raw speed, tbh) able to tie him up and mindphuck the battlefield (including Gladiator, who is a glass cannon against TP).
Picosecond. And he searched a population of 500,000 people:
But yeah, I guess Surfer might have raised his hand by then?
And Batman has done some stuff, I guess.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then you will need to prove how quickly Surfer creates black holes, then.Because we have Superman, WW (with her lasso! She blitzed Amazo, don't you know!) and Flash all being pretty fast. MMH and Aquaman with telepathy (which trumps raw speed, tbh) able to tie him up and mindphuck the battlefield (including Gladiator, who is a glass cannon against TP).
And Batman has done some stuff, I guess.
Surfer is literally making suns instantly while weakened and based on the distance of this battle, he would do it here. Gladiator has crossed Galaxies in the blink of an eye. I don't care how fast you think Flash and Supes are, they are not moving so fast that Surfer and Gladiator would be statues.
Originally posted by carver9
Surfer is literally making suns instantly while weakened and based on the distance of this battle, he would do it here. Gladiator has crossed Galaxies in the blink of an eye. I don't care how fast you think Flash and Supes are, they are not moving so fast that Surfer and Gladiator would be statues.
So you have no proof how fast he was able to make them? Concession accepted. If you have evidence, proof, then sure. You just show him shooting energy - no evidence later on they are suns, btw - and raising his hand. Even IF it only takes a second (no proof, but I can humour you) a picosecond is like..a trillionth of a second, lmao. You really have to step up if you want to prove Surfer can do something in that timeframe.
Oh Gladiator has crossed galaxies, has he? I thought telepathy trumps raw speed (lol)? How is Gladiator doing anything when he is soiling his underoos 😂 Remember, Morrison Aquaman was giving White Martians seizures, and that's ignoring MMH lol:
Zum, btw, like all White Martians, has superspeed too. In fact, he was their speedster.
Flash was crossing dimensions whilst casually trying to get a lollipop back, btw:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, yeah - Flash is literally not even trying here. And is full of dinner.It's the equivalent of a walk for him, when he's literally not trying to sweat, full of food.
When he's actually trying, in the same issue, he is going so fast he is time travelling and crossing dimensions:
Gladiator crosses galaxies in the blink of an eye. Cool. Wally crosses [b]dimensions
and timelines, lol.Edit: and this was just for a lollipop, lmao. Gladiator did all that in a serious battle for the future of his empire - imagine how fast a REALLY serious Flash would be. [/B]
Is WW not fast enough to get her lasso around one of them, stopping them? Hell, is she not fast enough to get her lasso around ALL of them? How about 2? I think you are lowballing her, tbh.