Originally posted by zopzop
Look at my sig, I'm a Tyrant FAN. Some would say FANBOY, but I'm still not convinced DP Tyrant was beyond Skyfather or even Mid/High level skyfather. DP Tyant based on his showing was low skyfather at most.Thanos is Trans Tier, definitely beyond High Herald, but not to the level of skyfather.
Mephisto isn't anywhere near skyfather outside his realm. Blackheart is just a scrub.
So team 2 stomps epically. CK Herc can solo Team 1 with ease. RKT can do it too but he'd have to exert himself more.
Team 1 has no chance in hell vs Team 2, unless something happens and DP Tyrant regains his full power. Then he soloes them all.
^^This is someone who knows his s**t...
Originally posted by zopzop
Look at my sig, I'm a Tyrant FAN. Some would say FANBOY, but I'm still not convinced DP Tyrant was beyond Skyfather or even Mid/High level skyfather. DP Tyant based on his showing was low skyfather at most.Thanos is Trans Tier, definitely beyond High Herald, but not to the level of skyfather.
Mephisto isn't anywhere near skyfather outside his realm. Blackheart is just a scrub.
So team 2 stomps epically. CK Herc can solo Team 1 with ease. RKT can do it too but he'd have to exert himself more.
Team 1 has no chance in hell vs Team 2, unless something happens and DP Tyrant regains his full power. Then he soloes them all.
That's the thing.. if you look at the evidence and feats for Tyrant in his limited showings.. it's quite clear that he is beyond skyfather. His feats back up that placement.
Originally posted by Utrigita
No he hadn't just ate, Thanos speculated on the Astral plan that Galactus appeared quite well nourished and because of that didn't have to consume the planet (which he didn't). Furthermore it simply isn't logical to assume that Galactus went from well nourished to very hungry by breaking through Thanos shields based on the other incidents of what Galactus can accomplish when hungry. As I have mentioned before there is alot of inconsistency concerning Galactus hunger in the act.
We have gone over this before my friend and I know you don't like it but that is EXACTLY what the writer makes clear for everyone. Thanos shields ARE that strong. In fact, the writer even has Galactus comment on the matter and why it took so much energy to go from well nourished to hungry... I haven't had to EVER work this hard to break a forcefield. As much as you don't like it Utrigita.. that is how it went down.
Besides I was only talking to Whitewitchking who said when Galactus fired at Thanos that he was hungry and that couldn't be further from the truth.
we don't need other examples it came from the horses mouth.. In other words you're looking for Galactus to prove his statement true LOL. Do you ever feel kinda dumb looking back and at all the stupid questions you ask?
Fact: Galactus said "I've NEVER had to work so hard to break a mere forcefield" Doesn't get ANY more clear than that.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi👆
we don't need other examples it came from the horses mouth.. In other words you're looking for Galactus to prove his statement true LOL. Do you ever feel kinda dumb looking back and at all the stupid questions you ask?Fact: Galactus said "I've NEVER had to work so hard to break a mere forcefield" Doesn't get ANY more clear than that.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
We have gone over this before my friend and I know you don't like it but that is EXACTLY what the writer makes clear for everyone. Thanos shields ARE that strong. In fact, the writer even has Galactus comment on the matter and why it took so much energy to go from well nourished to hungry... I haven't had to EVER work this hard to break a forcefield. As much as you don't like it Utrigita.. that is how it went down.Besides I was only talking to Whitewitchking who said when Galactus fired at Thanos that he was hungry and that couldn't be further from the truth.
I know, I'm merely bringing another perspective into the discussion. And that perspective is that Thanos states in the Astral Plan that Galactus isn't hungry, by looking at him, a assesment that haven't previous been made in any Galactus comic to my knowledge, Galactus then exert vital energies, but how can he exert vital energies if he moments later can unleash blasts powerful enough to initially make Hunger pull back from the sheer force? And the list goes on, you are correct however that I can't change what is written in the comic, but at the same time I'm merely pointing out that everything we know about Galactus (most recently Annihilation where Thanos was making ready to jump ship to escape from a extremely hungry Galactus) makes it imo clear that there are more aspects to this in a forum fight then there was in the comic, and the comic in itself was as mentioned before inconsistent.
Again that depends on whether or not you believe Thanos assesment on the Astral plan to be true, if WWK doesn't, then he has no reason to believe Galactus wasn't at low powerlevels, given the text that he exerted vital energies.
anyways off topic.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's the thing.. if you look at the evidence and feats for Tyrant in his limited showings.. it's quite clear that he is beyond skyfather. His feats back up that placement.
Do they?
His throw down vs : SS, Gladiator, Morg, Terrax, Jack of Hearts, Ganymede, and Gladiator is nothing that Odin couldn't handle (based on his other showings).
His throw down with Thanos was also inconclusive. If Thanos was amped by the Orb, then this was a better showing vs Thanos than Odin. If he wasn't amped by the Orb, then IMHO, this is a WORSE showing vs Thanos than Odin.
His throw down with Galactus is the key. Some people were saying that since DP Tyrant pwned a FED Galactus he's way beyond any skyfather. But other's were saying that it was the perfect storm in favor of DP Tyrant. DP Tyrant could absorb Galactus' blasts AND control Galactus' machinery. Galactus had no chance.
Odin has NO machinery that he brings to his fights so that's a no go. Can DP Tyrant absorb Odin's blasts, which are mystic in nature, like he absorbed Galactus' "bio-energy" blasts? I don't know but I think not.
So whether DP Tyrant really is beyond skyfather isn't known for sure. But based on his showings he's, at most, low skyfather.
Edited to include the Thanos fight.
Actually those showings are exactly why he is beyond Skyfather. Calling him Low Skyfather is simply amusing. Thanos is a skyfather.. at least a low end skyfather.. who some say was amped and Tyrant treated him like a child once he got serious.
You call Odin a high skyfather.. I agree.... Yet Thanos faced both of them and CLEARLY felt Tyrant was the more powerful of the two. Against Odin.. HE NEVER backed down nor even considered leaving. yet against Tyrant (lets say with an amp) he admitted Tyrant would kill him if he stayed. This was after a MUCH SHORTER fight than the fight Thanos had with Odin. So, an amped prepped Thanos.. in a much shorter period of time felt enough power from Tyrant that he KNEW he had to flee or he would be killed. Again Odin.. he had no such fear.. wasn't prepped nor amped and had no fear of dying. Going by Thanos we can clearly see who he, and who we as the reader should feel is more powerful.
Doom with Galactus power ONE SHOT Odin with ease. To say nothing fo the fact that when he's met odin he's talked down to him like a scrub with no power. Now compare that to Tyrant... He didn't say.. I need to feed right now because Tyrant can absorb my bio sphere and use my tech. No no no... he backed down from their first fight because GALAXIES would be destroyed in the collateral damage of their fight. That is how much he thought of DP Tyrant power. He didn't talk down to him.. he LET HIM take his herald from him for fear of the damage a fight between them would cause. This bio-sphere thing is crap.. Galactus absorbs the same biosphere... Tyrant blast would empower Galactus as well. The fact is, Galactus prepped and fed before facing Tyrant because of how powerful Tyrant was. Now compare that to how Galactus usually acts against foes... he doesn't prep.. he is usually condescending or hungry... Compare that to Galactus power ONE SHOTTING Odin with ease.
All these things point to Tyrant being well above skyfather and if not well above certainly beyond that tier
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
we don't need other examples it came from the horses mouth.. In other words you're looking for Galactus to prove his statement true LOL. Do you ever feel kinda dumb looking back and at all the stupid questions you ask?Fact: Galactus said "I've NEVER had to work so hard to break a mere forcefield" Doesn't get ANY more clear than that.
We do need examples, how else are we to know the power level of shields Galactus has faced before?
Originally posted by Silent Master
We do need examples, how else are we to know the power level of shields Galactus has faced before?
We don't need to know.. Galactus TELLS US that this was the HARDEST he's ever had to work to pierce one. It is really that simple. On panel evidence is clear cut and there is no ambiguity there. Instead, you wanted Galactus to say... I've never had to work so hard to pierce a forcefield in my life.. I mean there was that time I broke this forcefield and that forcefield.. oooo and that other time I broke this other forcefield.. none of those compared to this.. Is that how you wanted the story to go? Sorry but writers expect a little common sense and reading comprehension. It came from the horses mouth... he's NEVER had to work so hard to break a forcefield. This is why Galactus went from well nourished to hungry just to get through thanos's shiedling.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWhich isn't by itself impressive.
we don't need other examples it came from the horses mouth.. In other words you're looking for Galactus to prove his statement true LOL. Do you ever feel kinda dumb looking back and at all the stupid questions you ask?Fact: Galactus said "I've NEVER had to work so hard to break a mere forcefield" Doesn't get ANY more clear than that.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
We don't need to know.. Galactus TELLS US that this was the HARDEST he's ever had to work to pierce one. It is really that simple. On panel evidence is clear cut and there is no ambiguity there. Instead, you wanted Galactus to say... I've never had to work so hard to pierce a forcefield in my life.. I mean there was that time I broke this forcefield and that forcefield.. oooo and that other time I broke this other forcefield.. none of those compared to this.. Is that how you wanted the story to go? Sorry but writers expect a little common sense and reading comprehension. It came from the horses mouth... he's NEVER had to work so hard to break a forcefield. This is why Galactus went from well nourished to hungry just to get through thanos's shiedling.
Without something to compare it to, it being called the "toughest" becomes a worthless statement.
Originally posted by Silent MasterNow we don't. this shows you're so dependent on feats you can't grasp the simple meaning of any simple statement. Wow.
We do need examples, how else are we to know the power level of shields Galactus has faced before?
Originally posted by Black bolt zFalse. Thanos is just in another tier by himself practically when it comes down to formidability.
Hes beating you here 😬👆