Originally posted by Lacan GrahfThis:
^ That was a deflection.What claims have I made that I didn't back up? 😖
Originally posted by Lacan Grahf
As we have established that Luuke was created in a month's time, the idea that he has been sufficiently trained to pose a threat to the likes of Sedriss
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'Specially unconvincing after someone as powerful as Galen Marek was cloned quite perfectly in less than six months and went to defeat Vader. The same Vader who was defeated by Luke 5 years later. The same Luke who was nearly bested by his own month-flash clone 5 years after that. The same Luke, who, one year later (not two, sorry) sent Sedriss (the guy who was dismissed by Palpatine as too inferior to Luke to become Sith) flying with a single Force Push and shrugged off his Force Grip.Yeah, that Sedriss.
But that's all off-topic here. Better to keep that in the other thread.
Done.
The only thing that was non-canon was Starkiller being impaled; the bonus cutscenes make it perfectly clear that evil!Starkiller was ordered to act if and only if Vader was about to die.
Logic dictates he was Force camouflaged the entire time and that the entire affair went exactly as the EmperorVader had foreseen.
Please confine your incessant b1tching to criticisms that actually have merit to them. Otherwise, there's always LiveJournal.
Originally posted by Lacan GrahfYou're right about all those points. But that does nothing to negate my original point that the canon Light side ending is stupid. It only proves it, actually. Vader's willing to allow himself to be caught, his cloning facility discovered, and the rogue Marek clone and Kota are still alive. And his boy is nowhere to be seen.
Done.The only thing that was non-canon was Starkiller being impaled; the bonus cutscenes make it perfectly clear that evil!Starkiller was ordered to act if and only if Vader was about to die.
Logic dictates he was Force camouflaged the entire time and that the entire affair went exactly as
the EmperorVader had foreseen.
That's my point. They throw in twists for the sake of "shock" value without any meaningful contribution to the plot. Just another score for the already worthless story.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You're right about all those points. But that does nothing to negate my original point that the canon Light side ending is stupid. It only proves it, actually. Vader's willing to allow himself to be caught, his cloning facility discovered, and the rogue Marek clone and Kota are still alive. And his boy is nowhere to be seen.That's my point. They throw in twists for the sake of "shock" value without any meaningful contribution to the plot. Just another score for the already worthless story.
You contradict yourself. The so-called twist in question actually transforms the plot radically, from a legitimate defeat for Vader to the Sith Lord actually having the upper hand the entire time.
Originally posted by Lacan GrahfAnd that's why he allowed himself to be captured and bound and taken off to who knows where. Yeah, he's a smart guy.
You contradict yourself. The so-called twist in question actually transforms the plot radically, from a legitimate defeat for Vader to the Sith Lord actually having the upper hand the entire time.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And that's why he allowed himself to be captured and bound and taken off to who knows where.
You mean the secret rebel stronghold? The fortress that his avowed enemies operate from? A place that the Empire has been looking for from day one?
Lucien
Yeah, he's a smart guy.
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Originally posted by Lacan GrahfAnd whose flagship Boba Fett and his battalion of terror droids found like that (I snapped my fingers there, in case you didn't hear them)? Yes, stabbing Marek in the back and slicing Kota would impede his progress. Of course!
You mean the secret rebel stronghold? The fortress that his avowed enemies operate from? A place that the Empire has been looking for from day one?
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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And whose flagship Boba Fett and his battalion of terror droids found like that (I snapped my fingers there, in case you didn't hear them)? Yes, stabbing Marek in the back and slicing Kota would impede his progress. Of course!😐
Uh, Lucien, Fett found the fleet, not the base.
Originally posted by Lacan GrahfYeah, that's why I used the word "flagship". You know, the head of the fleet that as of ESB 4 years later needs to stay in hiding. I wonder why they're out parading their presence in 1 BBY? They must be, how else could Fett locate a mobile command center if he can't locate a planet?
Uh, Lucien, Fett found the fleet, not the base.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yeah, that's why I used the word "flagship". You know, the head of the fleet that as of ESB 4 years later needs to stay in hiding. I wonder why they're out parading their presence in 1 BBY? They must be, how else could Fett locate a mobile command center if he can't locate a planet?
The Rebel fleet had been participating in raids against the Empire, it isn't surprising that Fett would have been able to deduce its location. The command headquarters is another thing entirely. That is what Vader is looking for, the same thing Tarkin and company were hunting in A New Hope.
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Or perhaps Vader wanted the Dark!Starkiller to interfere, but the clone didn't.
Hmm... I must ponder this.
Originally posted by Lacan GrahfThe entire Rebel fleet is located, it's flagship infiltrated by Fett and an Imperial battalion, and a believable story is nowhere to be seen.
The Rebel fleet had been participating in raids against the Empire, it isn't surprising that Fett would have been able to deduce its location. The command headquarters is another thing entirely. That is what Vader is looking for, the same thing Tarkin and company were hunting in A New Hope.Spoiler:
Or perhaps Vader wanted the Dark!Starkiller to interfere, but the clone didn't.Hmm... I must ponder this.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
... 😑Alright then...
Yeah, I've been arguing this sort of thing elsewhere with people who are b1tching because we weren't told how Leia got ahold of the Death Star plans or how the invasion of Coruscant was stupid because we weren't told how the Separatists waltzed right in and abducted Palpatine.
Star Wars is legendary for its plotholes.
Originally posted by Lacan GrahfPlotholes shmotholes. I just want some good storytelling. The first game was great for it. Definitely not a great story, but interesting. The second one sucked the big one.
Yeah, I've been arguing this sort of thing elsewhere with people who are b1tching because we weren't told how Leia got ahold of the Death Star plans or how the invasion of Coruscant was stupid because we weren't told how the Separatists waltzed right in and abducted Palpatine.Star Wars is legendary for its plotholes.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Plotholes shmotholes. I just want some good storytelling. The first game was great for it. Definitely not a great story, but interesting. The second one sucked the big one.
I disagree. I thought it was a pretty good attempt to go in a darker route and I loved its portrayal of Vader. Yes, the cameos by Yoda and Fett were absolutely lackluster and coldly calculated. And yes, it was entirely too short.
But I was pleased with what they attempted.