No Iron Man 3 For Jon Favreau

Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
It had a good deal of plotholes. Like how can Lt. Col. James "Rhodey" Rhodes just take a suit? Is there no password protection? No software to keep random people from flying off with it? And how does he know how to use it so well?
How did James Rhodes take off the suit after flying it to the US Army camp? There were no robotic arms! Plus, it was even intact after he took it off! How did they know how to assemble/disassemble it?
Why did Whiplash take off his helmet during the fight with War Machine and Iron Man? There was absolutely no reason to.
And what was Whiplash's obsession with whips anyways? Why would he put it in a final suit when he knows it wasn't effective in the first place?
If S.H.I.E.L.D. agents are around all the time, why doesn't anyone of them help out when the army of Iron Man drones attacks the Stark Expo?
How did Tony Stark leave his house without being detected by Agent Coulson?
How did Ivan build his final Whiplash suit without Justin Hammer noticing? In fact, that suit's entirety felt freakishly rushed.

- Tony allowed Rhodey some access to the suit, because he had a report ready to give for the government inquiry. Tony may have been surprised by the subpoena, but he knew by the last film he wasn't going to be selling this piece of tech, so he thought just giving details to his friend (and official government liaison) would be as far as it would go.
Yes; there was password protection. Both Nick Fury and the Black Widow point that out later to Tony - proving their point that Tony deep down wanted to quit as Iron Man because of his bad condition, and so provided the info necessary to Rhodey some time back, to take it over when he couldn't.

- We don't see it on screen, but we can assume there are passwords (like in the comics) for the armour to disassemble in an emergency, when there isn't access to the mechanical arms. I mean, Tony got out of his travel armour in Monaco and interrogated Ivan Vanko without flying home first. So we can assume there's alternate ways to exit the suit. Rhodey would know about that too.

- We can only assume Vanko got too confident in the final minutes, and wanted Tony to see his face as he got his revenge. Revenge for his family's honour was more important to him than anything else; more than the money he could have made working with Justin Hammer or selling his own miniature arc reactor.

- Vanko seemed to improve on the whips with the second suit; he was handling both Tony and Rhodey at the same time.

- Unless SHIELD agents have some robotic suits of their own, they wouldn't be very effective stopping the Hammer Drones. They would be relying on Hammer to have everything under control, and if that wasn't the case that Rhodey in the War Machine suit would take care of the unforeseen. Vanko's role behind the scenes was unknown by almost everyone. I mean, we saw in the first film they weren't effective in arresting Obidiah Stane once he got into the Iron Monger suit either.

- Maybe the forthcoming THOR movie will elaborate on this, but Coulson was clearly distracted by the events in New Mexico, and when he came back to Tony to say he was leaving, he wasn't even angry. His head was clearly somewhere else.

- Hammer clearly thought he had Vanko in his pocket, but that was wrong. We all saw Vanko was doing something else at his factory (switching from suits to drones), but Hammer was desperate to show up Tony Stark at the Expo, so didn't push things very far. He wasn't around supervising things, so it's only by the eve of the Expo he has enough of the secrecy and shuts Vanko down (and we see by that time Vanko has new whips up and running - just assume there's a suit around somewhere as well.)

Originally posted by Kazenji
I also only noticed Anton Vanko whiplash's father was Crimson Dynamo.

The character Ivan Vanko is actually an amalgation of Crimson Dynamo and Whiplash.

Originally posted by Kazenji For me that part at least was a complete cop-out. It was so obviously a plot device so that Iron Man wasn't killing people in suits at the end. [/B]

So you want to see Iron Man killing people in other armors? The fight scenes would have been a lot more toned down, since Tony would have had to defeat all of the armors without hurting the people wearing them. Androids brought a lot better action to the film. Also, using people instead of androids would have caused a plot hole. Remember the scene where the Black Widow unhacked Rhodey's armor? It would create a plot hole because it wouldn't make sense why the Black Widow would have freed just Rhodey and not all of the other people in suits. Or maybe ALL of their armors would have been unhacked but that would have been stupid because an entire army of Iron Men would have defeated Vanko by teaming up on him. It would have been dissapointed with the film if it went in that direction.

Originally posted by roughrider
- Tony allowed Rhodey some access to the suit, because he had a report ready to give for the government inquiry. Tony may have been surprised by the subpoena, but he knew by the last film he wasn't going to be selling this piece of tech, so he thought just giving details to his friend (and official government liaison) would be as far as it would go.
Yes; there was password protection. Both Nick Fury and the Black Widow point that out later to Tony - proving their point that Tony deep down wanted to quit as Iron Man because of his bad condition, and so provided the info necessary to Rhodey some time back, to take it over when he couldn't.

- We don't see it on screen, but we can assume there are passwords (like in the comics) for the armour to disassemble in an emergency, when there isn't access to the mechanical arms. I mean, Tony got out of his travel armour in Monaco and interrogated Ivan Vanko without flying home first. So we can assume there's alternate ways to exit the suit. Rhodey would know about that too.

- We can only assume Vanko got too confident in the final minutes, and wanted Tony to see his face as he got his revenge. Revenge for his family's honour was more important to him than anything else; more than the money he could have made working with Justin Hammer or selling his own miniature arc reactor.

- Vanko seemed to improve on the whips with the second suit; he was handling both Tony and Rhodey at the same time.

- Unless SHIELD agents have some robotic suits of their own, they wouldn't be very effective stopping the Hammer Drones. They would be relying on Hammer to have everything under control, and if that wasn't the case that Rhodey in the War Machine suit would take care of the unforeseen. Vanko's role behind the scenes was unknown by almost everyone. I mean, we saw in the first film they weren't effective in arresting Obidiah Stane once he got into the Iron Monger suit either.

- Maybe the forthcoming THOR movie will elaborate on this, but Coulson was clearly distracted by the events in New Mexico, and when he came back to Tony to say he was leaving, he wasn't even angry. His head was clearly somewhere else.

- Hammer clearly thought he had Vanko in his pocket, but that was wrong. We all saw Vanko was doing something else at his factory (switching from suits to drones), but Hammer was desperate to show up Tony Stark at the Expo, so didn't push things very far. He wasn't around supervising things, so it's only by the eve of the Expo he has enough of the secrecy and shuts Vanko down (and we see by that time Vanko has new whips up and running - just assume there's a suit around somewhere as well.)

In that case, I guess Agent Coulson not detecting Tony wasn't a plot hole. My mistake.

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
The character Ivan Vanko is actually an amalgation of Crimson Dynamo and Whiplash.

Anton Vanko the father that was dying in the bed in the movie is Crimson Dynamo even look it up, He was the original Dynamo

http://www.comicvine.com/crimson-dynamo/29-7234/

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
Have you thought of the possibility that maybe he was more comfortable without his helmet on?

They tried to shoot him in the face. They were going for the kill. Think long term. And I mean literally minutes into the future. You're Whiplash and your enemies have made it clear they are willing to exploit any opening available to kill you. What would be the smart choice? Helmet on or helmet off? I'd wear wool underwear in the summer if I thought it would significantly lower the chances of people shooting me in the face. There's a point where comfort clearly takes a back seat.

Originally posted by spidermanrocks

So you want to see Iron Man killing people in other armors? The fight scenes would have been a lot more toned down, since Tony would have had to defeat all of the armors without hurting the people wearing them. Androids brought a lot better action to the film. Also, using people instead of androids would have caused a plot hole. Remember the scene where the Black Widow unhacked Rhodey's armor? It would create a plot hole because it wouldn't make sense why the Black Widow would have freed just Rhodey and not all of the other people in suits. Or maybe ALL of their armors would have been unhacked but that would have been stupid because an entire army of Iron Men would have defeated Vanko by teaming up on him. It would have been dissapointed with the film if it went in that direction.

Why not? If they were really evil characters intent on hurting people while in the suits it would make it more of a emotionally charged confrontation; just blasting away at droids is bland. How would it be a plot hole? Vanko demonstrates the ability to fashion a suit for himself (with Hammer's tech), I get that he wanted control, but if thats the case why couldn't there have been a plot device where Vanko calls in some sinister friends to wear them and cause mayhem. They don't have to be Hammer's people when Vanko literally assumes control of his resources.

Iron Man shouldn't be above taking out villains if the situation requires it, just how, when himself and War Machine are bristling with harmful weapons going to take a 'safety first' approach? Is every villain going to be a droid or a non-sentient being? If a super-advanced sentient army attacks is Iron Man going to simply restrain them?

And in IM1 he takes out terrorists, several times, including blowing up a tank (which normally has a crew), and is instrumental in taking out Obediah (another man in a suit). So he has form for this, the second film was too cuddly on reflection.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Why not? If they were really evil characters intent on hurting people while in the suits it would make it more of a emotionally charged confrontation; just blasting away at droids is bland. How would it be a plot hole? Vanko demonstrates the ability to fashion a suit for himself (with Hammer's tech), I get that he wanted control, but if thats the case why couldn't there have been a plot device where Vanko calls in some sinister friends to wear them and cause mayhem. They don't have to be Hammer's people when Vanko literally assumes control of his resources.

Iron Man shouldn't be above taking out villains if the situation requires it, just how, when himself and War Machine are bristling with harmful weapons going to take a 'safety first' approach? Is every villain going to be a droid or a non-sentient being? If a super-advanced sentient army attacks is Iron Man going to simply restrain them?

And in IM1 he takes out terrorists, several times, including blowing up a tank (which normally has a crew), and is instrumental in taking out Obediah (another man in a suit). So he has form for this, the second film was too cuddly on reflection.

In the first film, everyone is aware that Tony did kill some people with the armour in his bid to escape. Same when he rescued the villagers in Gulmira. There's no need to do it all the time.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Anton Vanko the father that was dying in the bed in the movie is Crimson Dynamo even look it up, He was the original Dynamo

http://www.comicvine.com/crimson-dynamo/29-7234/

I know that. But in the film, Anton Vanko was never Crimson Dynamo at any point in the Marvel Movieverse Timeline. The only thing that Anton Vanko from the comics and Anton Vanko from the movie have in common is that they have the same full name. Other than that, they were completely different characters. Nothing from Crimson Dynamo's character in the comics is used in the movie. His son (Ivan Vanko) has a lot more things in common with the Crimson Dynamo from the comics than his father did.

Originally posted by Doctor-Alvis
No, I had not considered that because I was under the assumption sense was supposed to be made.

They tried to shoot him in the face. They were going for the kill. Think long term. And I mean literally minutes into the future. You're Whiplash and your enemies have made it clear they are willing to exploit any opening available to kill you. What would be the smart choice? Helmet on or helmet off? I'd wear wool underwear in the summer if I thought it would significantly lower the chances of people shooting me in the face. There's a point where comfort clearly takes a back seat.

Roughrider already answered your question:

Originally posted by roughrider
We can only assume Vanko got too confident in the final minutes, and wanted Tony to see his face as he got his revenge. Revenge for his family's honour was more important to him than anything else; more than the money he could have made working with Justin Hammer or selling his own miniature arc reactor.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Why not? If they were really evil characters intent on hurting people while in the suits it would make it more of a emotionally charged confrontation; just blasting away at droids is bland. How would it be a plot hole? Vanko demonstrates the ability to fashion a suit for himself (with Hammer's tech), I get that he wanted control, but if thats the case why couldn't there have been a plot device where Vanko calls in some sinister friends to wear them and cause mayhem. They don't have to be Hammer's people when Vanko literally assumes control of his resources.

Iron Man shouldn't be above taking out villains if the situation requires it, just how, when himself and War Machine are bristling with harmful weapons going to take a 'safety first' approach? Is every villain going to be a droid or a non-sentient being? If a super-advanced sentient army attacks is Iron Man going to simply restrain them?

And in IM1 he takes out terrorists, several times, including blowing up a tank (which normally has a crew), and is instrumental in taking out Obediah (another man in a suit). So he has form for this, the second film was too cuddly on reflection.

No one wearing the suits would have been evil. Those suits that Vanko made were sold to the government (through Justin Hammer). So if they would have used people instead of androids, the people in the suits would have been good people. And they couldn't use Vanko's sinister friends for four reasons:
1) Vanko wanted himself to be the only one in the world with the Iron Man technology. He tried killing Tony because he believes that Tony's family took his family's pride and tech. He wanted to bring his family back on top again by getting rid of Tony and replacing his status as the most technological advanced man in the world. He wouldn't have shared his tech with anyone that wasn't part of his family.
2) Vanko is shown as a man that likes to work by himself throughout the whole movie. Calling in some random friends that appear in the last 40 minutes of the film with no character development and are just there to kick some ass in suits would have been stupid and just another excuse to have more evil Iron Men in the movie.
3) Why would the government let Vanko's friends (if he has any friends, they most likely have a criminal record like he did) wear the suits in front of thousands of innocent civilians at StarkExpo? Put yourself in their shoes. If you needed people to wear powerful suits that were created for the purpose of keeping peace, would you let dangerous criminals wear them?
4) Vanko's friends in the suits would have destroyed the entire message of the movie that Tony was trying to bring across. The government wanted Tony's suits because they wanted to use them to bring world peace. Tony kept telling them throughout the film that he is the only one who can control the suit and use it for good and that no one else can control it and use it for good. But even though Tony kept saying that, no one listened to him. When the androids that were owned by the government were hacked by Vanko and started hurting the people that were at StarkExpo, that proved Tony's point all along that he is the only one capable of being Iron Man. That's why the government gave up trying to take the suit away from Tony at the end of the film.

The terrorists and Obadiah were all criminals and bad people. The people in Iron Man 2 would have been innocent army soldiers wearing suits. There is a huge difference. And there were about 100 - 200 androids in the film. All of those androids being humans in suits getting killed would have caused the film to be R-rated. And Iron Man is that dark of a character to have a film rated R. If you want to see a Marvel superhero killing hundreds of people like that, go read The Punisher.

Originally posted by Newjak
Or they could have just made them droids to keep it from going to a more mature rating.

That's the whole point I was trying to make. They were swerving the idea of suits to make a more cuddly and impersonal battle , where no-one would have their feelings hurt if Tony was taking out people in suits.

No one felt bad about him killing and being reckless with human lives in IM1, but hey...

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
No one wearing the suits would have been evil. Those suits that Vanko made were sold to the government (through Justin Hammer). So if they would have used people instead of androids, the people in the suits would have been good people. And they couldn't use Vanko's sinister friends for four reasons:
1) Vanko wanted himself to be the only one in the world with the Iron Man technology. He tried killing Tony because he believes that Tony's family took his family's pride and tech. He wanted to bring his family back on top again by getting rid of Tony and replacing his status as the most technological advanced man in the world. He wouldn't have shared his tech with anyone that wasn't part of his family.
2) Vanko is shown as a man that likes to work by himself throughout the whole movie. Calling in some random friends that appear in the last 40 minutes of the film with no character development and are just there to kick some ass in suits would have been stupid and just another excuse to have more evil Iron Men in the movie.
3) Why would the government let Vanko's friends (if he has any friends, they most likely have a criminal record like he did) wear the suits in front of thousands of innocent civilians at StarkExpo? Put yourself in their shoes. If you needed people to wear powerful suits that were created for the purpose of keeping peace, would you let dangerous criminals wear them?
4) Vanko's friends in the suits would have destroyed the entire message of the movie that Tony was trying to bring across. The government wanted Tony's suits because they wanted to use them to bring world peace. Tony kept telling them throughout the film that he is the only one who can control the suit and use it for good and that no one else can control it and use it for good. But even though Tony kept saying that, no one listened to him. When the androids that were owned by the government were hacked by Vanko and started hurting the people that were at StarkExpo, that proved Tony's point all along that he is the only one capable of being Iron Man. That's why the government gave up trying to take the suit away from Tony at the end of the film.

The terrorists and Obadiah were all criminals and bad people. The people in Iron Man 2 would have been innocent army soldiers wearing suits. There is a huge difference. And there were about 100 - 200 androids in the film. All of those androids being humans in suits getting killed would have caused the film to be R-rated. And Iron Man is that dark of a character to have a film rated R. If you want to see a Marvel superhero killing hundreds of people like that, go read The Punisher.

Justin Hammer and his people were not evil? Or warmongering? Oh, I guess I just missed the part where himself and his people aid (include blowing him out of prison) a dangerous terrorist and fan the flames of his hatred towards Tony to built BATTLE suits, to use to KILL Tony. Judging from Hammer's apparent lack of concern towards anything but money and fame I guess he was only going to let America use them and not put them on the world market for other countries to buy; thereby making the same profit that arms dealers do. Silly me, a nice man he certainly is.

1) If you got that much from Rourke's performance then you truly are amazing because I felt he was somewhere between bored and disinterested most of the time. He could never be the only person with the Iron Man technology, have you never been exposed to the concept of business? One company makes something, another company pops up and makes the same thing, just slightly different. What is Vanko going to do, off them all?

2) Simple solution, create these characters from the start, films need iconic villains to latch onto and identify with (sentient villains I'm talking about here, not Robot A, B, C...) . Vanko spends most of his time in Hammer's lab, in fact Rourke spent so much time there I thought he was actually trying to make a suit. This left the film without a villain, a villain that supposedly hates Stark enough to sit in a lab and construct an overly elaborate plan, not once considering that he could catch Stark without the suit and just shoot him in the head. Pure hatred on display here all right... let the subject of your limitless fury walk around unarmed and make no other attempt to kill him until its the end of the film and of course then waiting until he's armoured and has back-up.

3) Well keeping the peace sometimes requires the use of violence so you do actually need violent people. You are aware of the fact that soldiers are and have to be dangerous people, or have I just shattered an illusion there?

In any case does it matter if the crowd see them? They are just rich, cheering idiots who won't know a criminal just by looking at them, plus if Vanko did insert his own guys in there I'm sure he would pick guys he would trust implicitly and have enough technical wizardry in him to create foolproof identities for them if any goverment agencies start sniffing around. Plus in my scenario Vanko wouldn't make the suits for the government, he would make sure his guys are in place and just steal them, simple really considering Vanko had total control of Hammer's resources.

4) Actually you've just destroyed your own arguement there. Surely the government would understand Tony's message a lot more if they DO see evil men using them for nefarious purposes. That would strengthen his arguement that the suit and it's technology should be kept with him, not for some who's going to abuse the power like Hammer and Vanko (or someone else like Vanko's possible criminal associates perhaps...)

On your last point: I wouldn't have had hundreds of suits, the fact that they made them drones allowed for that scenario but I would have had a smaller number manned by Vanko's people (and possibly Vanko himself, I mean he had nothing else to do except sit in the lab remember) sent out to a) destroy the Iron Man and War Machine suits, killing Tony and Rhodes in the process, b) destroy his lab and obliterate all his records of his suit's construction (if he's serious about having a monopoly on the suit technology then this would make sense), c) escape, with their suits intact.

Iron Man being 'darker' because he would be eliminating sentient threats? Well I guess in the comics he just turns up and conks them on the head, nicely knocking them out with his harmless array of weapons and sweet, caring attitude. Give me a break.

Originally posted by spidermanrocks
Roughrider already answered your question:

Secondary question - You're whooping up on your enemy and his friend. Giant ball of energy is forming in front of you. Stare at it and die or try to shield yourself so you can maybe live and keep whooping up on your enemy?

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
That's the whole point I was trying to make. They were swerving the idea of suits to make a more cuddly and impersonal battle , where no-one would have their feelings hurt if Tony was taking out people in suits.

No one felt bad about him killing and being reckless with human lives in IM1, but hey...

As to the latter it's all about context, seeing them die on screen, and volume. There is a big difference between a handful people dieing without being shown dead vs seeing Tony out right kill a hundred or so people on screen.

And if you're looking for an in-film reason. The simplest is Ivan Vanko doesn't like to get too many people involved. He said so himself people make problem.

So why would he make a number of suits and put people in them when he has absolute control of the androids.

Or you could go with he had no idea about Hammer when he first went after Tony and had no time to get friends into the suits because he was working on a limited schedule once Hammer got him, he was also under Hammer's eyes, and and had no way of getting people over there. Androids were his best bet at maintaining constant control of the situation he was in. He could talk Hammer into them, he could tie them directly to his suit. He could also plant bombs in them.

So pick whichever you like.

Originally posted by Newjak
Most studios will not try to hit a higher rating unless they are specifically going for mature. It's statistics the lower the rating the more people will go see the movie. Iron Man doesn't have to be dirty and gritty therefore studios aren't going to do that if they don't have to.

As to the latter it's all about context, seeing them die on screen, and volume. There is a big difference between a handful people dieing without being shown dead vs seeing Tony out right kill a hundred or so people on screen.

And if you're looking for an in-film reason. The simplest is Ivan Vanko doesn't like to get too many people involved. He said so himself people make problem.

So why would he make a number of suits and put people in them when he has absolute control of the androids.

Or you could go with he had no idea about Hammer when he first went after Tony and had no time to get friends into the suits because he was working on a limited schedule once Hammer got him, he was also under Hammer's eyes, and and had no way of getting people over there. Androids were his best bet at maintaining constant control of the situation he was in. He could talk Hammer into them, he could tie them directly to his suit. He could also plant bombs in them.

So pick whichever you like.

I agree to a point, but I'm not talking about full-on gory dismemberments or decapitations but in another sense it can be done if handled correctly. Just look at at Matrix Revolutions the battle scenes with the humans in those mechs vs the machines, some died pretty horribly and other scenes in Reloaded and Revolutions were significally jarring or violent. Those were 15 rated, despite all those themes a pretty weak rating.

The thing that irritated me about the conversion to droids was the fact that it was Hammer's insistence up to that moment with Vanko that he wanted suits. The film leads you to believe in him wanting suits so thats what you normally expect from the film. After all, he wants to better Tony Stark's creation with his own company and then he meets Vanko and just blithely accepts his rationale for wanting droids.

Building droids is not being competitive in any way to the product of a suit (droids which were turned into mince-meat by guys wearing suits, tell me which is better now and makes more sense?), that way he (Hammer) is just admitting defeat, which in business terms is suicide. Vanko stating that more people make problems is ludicrous, especially when you consider what Tony (a civilian) has been able to do in that suit up to now.

Not to mention that you, and others have stated that droids give them better control then just a guy in a suit, not so, how then could they wilfully take over War Machine? They took control of that pretty easily.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
I agree to a point, but I'm not talking about full-on gory dismemberments or decapitations but in another sense it can be done if handled correctly. Just look at at Matrix Revolutions the battle scenes with the humans in those mechs vs the machines, some died pretty horribly and other scenes in Reloaded and Revolutions were significally jarring or violent. Those were 15 rated, despite all those themes a pretty weak rating.

The thing that irritated me about the conversion to droids was the fact that it was Hammer's insistence up to that moment with Vanko that he wanted suits. The film leads you to believe in him wanting suits so thats what you normally expect from the film. After all, he wants to better Tony Stark's creation with his own company and then he meets Vanko and just blithely accepts his rationale for wanting droids.

Building droids is not being competitive in any way to the product of a suit (droids which were turned into mince-meat by guys wearing suits, tell me which is better now and makes more sense?), that way he (Hammer) is just admitting defeat, which in business terms is suicide. Vanko stating that more people make problems is ludicrous, especially when you consider what Tony (a civilian) has been able to do in that suit up to now.

Not to mention that you, and others have stated that droids give them better control then just a guy in a suit, not so, how then could they wilfully take over War Machine? They took control of that pretty easily.

As for Hammer was simply a patsy. That's the way they portrayed him throughout the whole movie. He was a businessman without any of Tony's abilities.

Hammer needed Ivan he considered him the Golden Goose. He finally had someone who could compete with Stark. Hammer wanted more than anything to beat him. Ivan played to that. He knew he could push Hammer because Hammer needed him. So he played some words and Hammer on the Spot had to keep conceding.

Also the droids may have gotten wrecked but they did they're job. They made Tony use up his big guns before Ivan ever got there. Plus droids have an insane upside in battlefield scenarios. Easier to produce and easier to replace then human if you lose one.

And what happened when War Machine was cut out of Hammer's mainframe Rhodey regained control, but despite Hammer's computer being shutdown Ivan was still in control of the droids. Hence easier to control then humans.

Originally posted by Newjak
The Matrix showcased a few gory deaths with the Mechs not 100 + people dieing by Replusors tru the chest or being cut in half.

Also the droids may have gotten wrecked but they did they're job. They made Tony use up his big guns before Ivan ever got there. Plus droids have an insane upside in battlefield scenarios. Easier to produce and easier to replace then human if you lose one.

And what happened when War Machine was cut out of Hammer's mainframe Rhodey regained control, but despite Hammer's computer being shutdown Ivan was still in control of the droids. Hence easier to control then humans.

And what's the problem with people dying in suits like that? It would be nothing compared to what we expect and see from other films. There are ways to make the scenes less graphic, but still retain the sense that someone, an evil person has met his end (and in my scenario they woud be criminals, not US soldiers). I mean, take the Star Wars PT, one of the things that was inherently missing at times was the absence of a 'real' threat.

Most of the time they (the Jedi) were scything down hordes of dumb, mass produced CGI droids that offered no resistance, no threat whatsoever (no threat=zero suspense). IM2 was the same, mass produced droids that were easily destroyed and while exciting visually I don't think you can compare a battle of human wits and skill, which is far more interesting to me. Not to mention its counter to what we know of Vanko at the racetrack scene, he's not scared of Stark, he confronts him there and tries to take him out. Why hide in a lab behind a computer screen for most of the film? He nearly took him out, he could have learned from that racetrack fight and tried again. Instead he hides, some villain.

Droids are easier to produce but sometimes blind logic would make them inherently dangerous to their human masters, not to mention dangerous to the populus because if just anyone can hack them then they really are a liability. You can condition a human being any which way you want but that person is still human and free to make thier own decisions, which may not be logical, but will still win the day, or battle.

Anyway us humans are mass-produced too, just look at China. 😄

Rhodey regaining control was primarily because beyond everything his suit was still a Stark creation and not subject to Hammer's or Vanko's complete control. Had Vanko built suits for his own loyal people the issue of control would be moot, because they would be all working for the same goals.

by Edward Douglas
Mar 7th, 2011Plans to take a "Tom Clancy-thriller" approach
An Ain't It Cool News reader attended a panel at the Omaha Film Festival on which filmmaker Shane Black was speaking and eventually he was asked about Iron Man 3, a movie he was rumored to be writing and directing last month, something that was never confirmed either by Walt Disney Pictures or Marvel Studios. Fans of Shane Black's directorial debut Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang should be excited about seeing him reunited with Robert Downey Jr. as it was that film that helped Jon Favreau and Marvel make their decision to go with Downey for the role of Tony Stark in the first place.

Black told the film festival audience that he's scheduled to meet later this week with Downey, who will be contributing to the story, and that Black himself will be writing the script as well as directing. Marvel Studios clearly must know that not everyone was happy with the previous sequel and Black said they've decided to focus on Iron Man and Tony Stark for the third movie, rather than bringing in other heroes from the Marvel Universe. And according to Black, they plan on going back to "self-contained single-character stories" following The Avengers.

Black also told the audience:

"Iron Man 3 will not be another 'two men in iron suits fighting each other' film. Instead, it will be more like a Tom Clancy-thriller, with Iron Man fighting real world villians."

This is certainly an interesting take on the character that's not too far removed from some of the better Iron Man comic book stories from the '80s, and maybe that means will be seeing the likes of Spymaster and Madame Masque in the third movie. Who knows? Maybe we'll even see Downey and Black reunited with their Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang co-star Michelle Monaghan in the latter role, even if that would be quite a drastic departure from the "nice girl" roles she normally plays.

Either way, look for a lot more developments on this exciting direction for Iron Man 3, which is currently set for a May 3, 2013 release.

Well this will be after The Avengers, so they will get a breather from being part of a large interlocked film series. But from the sounds of what Black is proposing, I don't this film tackling the Mandarin either.
Come on; we've been waiting.

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