Pope blames the 70s for Pedophilia

I blame insane religion which doesn´t allow men to do what god told them to, go forth and multiply.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Only in order to "prevent the sad waste of attentions paid to an object so uncertain." He's saying there should be a law against breaking their hearts.

There's a lot contradiction, while the man-and-boy aspect is factual in ancient Greek culture, there are those that argue that it wasn't a sexual relationship and there is [some] proof that a grown man taking a young boy (especially anal) was looked down upon by Greek society.

Seems to wan from period to period. It's okay, it's not okay, it's okay again etc. ****ing Greeks.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
I blame insane religion which doesn´t allow men to do what god told them to, go forth and multiply.

Possible.

But do you really think the priest who molest alter-boys do it just because they're not allowed to be with a woman and if the "no marriage in the priesthood" was lifted they wouldn't have gone diddling little boys or do you think these priest are just pederast *****?

Being how the seventys were I argee with that to a certain point.But there is really no excuse for it happening.And also there is more pasters who do the same thing.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Edit - Reminds me of the Rind et al. study. What are some of your thoughts on this, people? I do think that there would be a difference, psychologically, if a child was just curious. That makes sense. It also makes sense that a child forced into something would have psychological damage. It seems like a "no-brainer." But things are complicated and introducing 'adult' things to a child's mind may not be healthy or conducive to that child's natural development. But wait, what IS healthy and wouldn't that vary from child to child, greatly, making it near impossible to set a standard? Complicated as all get-out and it's hard for me to think about this stuff, objectively, because I have children. Does that disqualify me for a legitimate discussion on something like this? You tell me...

generally, I don't think people are as fragile as the media makes them out to be

its a subject that is very difficult to do research in, I'm sure

Originally posted by General_Iroh
I'm not sure that Live Science is the most unbiased site in the world for getting information on the pope guys, just saying 😬 we should be used to seeing convenient quotations.
“The psychological destruction of children, in which human persons are reduced to articles of merchandise, is a terrifying sign of the times,”
This from what I understand wasn't even a prominent part of his speech, the main bulk of it was him telling the church to accept their humiliation in what they'd done. But as usual people are going to make a big deal out of nothing, when all he was really saying was that society sees people more like objects than actual humans, a statement that's pretty true lol

your point is that he isn't trying to justify pedophilia by saying "eyeryone was doing it at the time, you know, the crazy 70s"?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Only in order to "prevent the sad waste of attentions paid to an object so uncertain." He's saying there should be a law against breaking their hearts.

huh...

there are also North African traditions where military officers would take young boys in a mentor fashon as well.

I think it is fair to maybe separate the mentor/child relationship from the sort of authority/child predatory relationship. I tend to think the priestly molestations are more like the latter, but I can't say I've followed any of the stories closely.

Not that I'm trying to say a mentoring relationship that involves child molestation is anything besides repugnant.

So much for taking responsibility for one's behavior.

Originally posted by Mindship
So much for taking responsibility for one's behavior.

What's the Pope supposed to say? "Alright, the Catholic church has a long history of protecting known child molesters from the law and even outright placing them repeatedly in positions where they could continue to molest more children, but it's all good now, I've taken over."

Originally posted by Robtard
What's the Pope supposed to say? "Alright, the Catholic church has a long history of protecting known child molesters from the law and
even outright placing them repeatedly in positions where they could continue to molest more children, but it's all good now, I've taken over."

Not realistic, I know. But that's what should've been said, IMO.

Originally posted by Mr. Rhythmic
It is virtually factual that they did, but that was far before Christianity began.
As far as the pope's words, you don't blame the dairy farmers just because you spilt a glass of milk. Man up to the problems at hand instead of pointing fingers.

Originally posted by Robtard
But do you really think the priest who molest alter-boys do it just because they're not allowed to be with a woman and if the "no marriage in the priesthood" was lifted they wouldn't have gone diddling little boys or do you think these priest are just pederast *****?

Sort of.

There is no sexual release for them and, as you know, no release will make a man more sexually aggressive (At least, that's what Dr. Gary Chapman outlined in more romantic terms in his book, "The 5 Love Languages."😉

The bible even indicates that the bishop should be taken to one wife and no strong drink (alcoholic beverages), so why are any alcoholic beverages used by any bishop and why are not all of them at least married? Some say that the bishops referred to in the new testament, in that verse, refers specifically to anyone in authority in the church...which would include your priests, bishops, archbishops, popes, and so forth.

So, that would change the qualifications: you would have to be married and abstain from alcoholic beverages to be one of authority in the Catholic church. (or any church that professes to be Christian.)

But, see, Christians have a long history of picking and choosing which "rules" they choose to follow.

Summary: Catholic priests should be married. May have prevented lots of the child molestation cases.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Sort of.

There is no sexual release for them and, as you know, no release will make a man more sexually aggressive (At least, that's what Dr. Gary Chapman outlined in more romantic terms in his book, "The 5 Love Languages."😉

The bible even indicates that the bishop should be taken to one wife and no strong drink (alcoholic beverages), so why are any alcoholic beverages used by any bishop and why are not all of them at least married? Some say that the bishops referred to in the new testament, in that verse, refers specifically to anyone in authority in the church...which would include your priests, bishops, archbishops, popes, and so forth.

So, that would change the qualifications: you would have to be married and abstain from alcoholic beverages to be one of authority in the Catholic church. (or any church that professes to be Christian.)

But, see, Christians have a long history of picking and choosing which "rules" they choose to follow.

Summary: Catholic priests should be married. May have prevented lots of the child molestation cases.

If they chased alter-boys [possibly] because of pent up sexual frustration due to celibacy, why didn't they instead find an adult (male or female) to have sex with? Going to a prostitute would have been far less risky than diddling a child, in terms of being caught.

Conclusion: They're pedophiles; it likely has nothing to do with imposed celibacy.

But I agree, Priest should be allowed to marry.

The thing is that paedophiles might be overrepresented in the church, either because they joined for the oportunities or because of their feelings of guilt, as an atempt to control their own urges or a belief that a religious life would help them transcend them or whatever. but yeah, celibacy isnt the root cause of it.

Originally posted by 753
The thing is that paedophiles might be overrepresented in the church, either because they joined for the oportunities or because of their feelings of guilt, as an atempt to control their own urges or a belief that a religious life would help them transcend them or whatever. but yeah, celibacy isnt the root cause of it.

Originally posted by 753
or because of their feelings of guilt, as an atempt to control their own urges or a belief that a religious life would help them transcend them or whatever

Originally posted by Robtard
If they chased alter-boys [possibly] because of pent up sexual frustration due to celibacy, why didn't they instead find an adult (male or female) to have sex with? Going to a prostitute would have been far less risky than diddling a child, in terms of being caught.

Conclusion: They're pedophiles; it likely has nothing to do with imposed celibacy.

It's because most do not have "real" experience with adult relationships (making the plunge into the dating scene a bit dificult), the children are far easier to access because they are around each other often, and the children are far easier to get get a sexual release from ("no dinner and movie with witty banter" type of situation for them).....AND they are pedophiles.

Originally posted by Robtard
But I agree, Priest should be allowed to marry.

They should.

Originally posted by 753
The thing is that paedophiles might be overrepresented in the church, either because they joined for the oportunities or because of their feelings of guilt, as an atempt to control their own urges or a belief that a religious life would help them transcend them or whatever. but yeah, celibacy isnt the root cause of it.

I stil say that no release makes them more sexually agressive or at least do things that they would not do if they were not so horny. It is at least part of it. They would not seek sexual gratification if they did not have a sex drive. (Unless the vast majority of Pedophiles are Nymphos? I've never read that.)

I stil say that no release makes them more sexually agressive or at least do things that they would not do if they were not so horny. It is at least part of it. They would not seek sexual gratification if they did not have a sex drive. (Unless the vast majority of Pedophiles are Nymphos? I've never read that.) [/B]

Originally posted by 753
the issue isn't that they can't get release with adults, rather that their sex drive is directed at children so releasing it would result in child molestation regardless of celibacy with adults.

But isn't that a bit off? Meaning, doesn't the frequency of "pedophiles" occur more often in the Catholic church than it does in the population?

Further meaning...wouldn't that indicate that some of them are not strictly pedophiles but looking for sexual gratification with someone or would that mean that the clergy is a position for which pedophiles flock due to access to children?

Regardless, they still have to have a sex drive in order to take out their actions on children. They cannot masturbate nor can they have sexual relations. What is one of the only situations that they can get sexual gratification? They certainly wouldn't get it with an adult during a counseling session. They certainly could with a child while the child helps take down the Mass goodies and put them away. (I do not know when and where these children are primarily molested. I'm just guessing.)

The pope is probably a Pedophilia.

Originally posted by dadudemon
But isn't that a bit off? Meaning, doesn't the frequency of "pedophiles" occur more often in the Catholic church than it does in the population?

Further meaning...wouldn't that indicate that some of them are not strictly pedophiles but looking for sexual gratification with someone or would that mean that the clergy is a position for which pedophiles flock due to access to children?

Hence my original post

Originally posted by 753
The thing is that paedophiles might be overrepresented in the church, either because they joined for the oportunities or because of their feelings of guilt, as an atempt to control their own urges or a belief that a religious life would help them transcend them or whatever. but yeah, celibacy isnt the root cause of it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Regardless, they still have to have a sex drive in order to take out their actions on children. They cannot masturbate nor can they have sexual relations. What is one of the only situations that they can get sexual gratification? They certainly wouldn't get it with an adult during a counseling session. They certainly could with a child while the child helps take down the Mass goodies and put them away. (I do not know when and where these children are primarily molested. I'm just guessing.) [/B]

Originally posted by 753
Hence my original post

All people have sex drives. Pedophile's drives are directed at children because of a sexual disorder not because they're frustrated. I'm pretty sure they can and do jack off and this would be much simpler for relief than molesting children. So would going to prostitutes.

I dunno...some people can keep from masturbating until the fat lady at the gym is starting to look good. *raises hand*