Arishem the Judge vs Trion Juggernaut

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Which makes no sense. Besides the godblast feat and the godblast is overrated, juggernaut has no feats to suggest he has higher durability much less the strength to hurt Arishem.

I don't think juggernaut does but trion... he is the god of durability and strength. Juggernaut is but a small fraction of trions durablity and look what he has done. He has walked through d'spare blast like it was nothing... a low level skyfather and the thing about it jugs was weakened. Then he was attacked by 6 beings that had the same powerlevel as thor (exemplers) without even getting a scratch and he defeated them.

The stranger blast didn't even harm him. Hulk has as of yet to do any type of physical damage. The entire xmen combined never caused him any damage. Magneto couldn't put a scratch of him and the list goes on.

How is the godblast overated when it has defeated mangog, defeated galactus, harmed celestials, destroyed the armor of the destroyer and the list goes on. The only being that laughed at it was the juggernaut. Juggernaut has been stated as being completely invulnerable on numerous of occasions and he has proven this.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think juggernaut does but trion... he is the god of durability and strength. Juggernaut is but a small fraction of trions durablity and look what he has done. He has walked through d'spare blast like it was nothing... a low level skyfather and the thing about it jugs was weakened. Then he was attacked by 6 beings that had the same powerlevel as thor (exemplers) without even getting a scratch and he defeated them.

The stranger blast didn't even harm him. Hulk has as of yet to do any type of physical damage. The entire xmen combined never caused him any damage. Magneto couldn't put a scratch of him and the list goes on.

How is the godblast overated when it has defeated mangog, defeated galactus, harmed celestials, destroyed the armor of the destroyer and the list goes on. The only being that laughed at it was the juggernaut. Juggernaut has been stated as being completely invulnerable on numerous of occasions and he has proven this.

And its because it has done those things that it is overrated.A herald should not be able to hurt abstracts.

And Arishem still has enough power to vaporize him and juggs still doesn't have enough strength to hurt him.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
None of those are that impressive.Not when you talk about having abstract durability especially celestial durability.

And its because it has done those things that it is overrated.A herald should not be able to hurt abstracts.

And Arishem still has enough power to vaporize him and juggs still doesn't have enough strength to hurt him.

Thor hammer has damaged abstracts. I already named some abstracts that it has damaged, celestials and galactus himself and recently took out a godkiller that was juggling planets.

Why is it overated when on panel proof on "so many of occassions" have showings that trumps the hammer hurting high level being than vice verse. You can't ignore on panel evidence because you don't like the fact that it ruins you argument.

Who has damaged juggernaut that makes you believe that he could be vaporized? I agree, I don't think juggernaut strength is enough to take out a celestial.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor hammer has damaged abstracts. I already named some abstracts that it has damaged, celestials and galactus himself and recently took out a godkiller that was juggling planets.

Why is it overated when on panel proof on "so many of occassions" have showings that trumps the hammer hurting high level being than vice verse. You can't ignore on panel evidence because you don't like the fact that it ruins you argument.

Who has damaged juggernaut that makes you believe that he could be vaporized? I agree, I don't think juggernaut strength is enough to take out a celestial.

What has happened and what should happen are different.

Didn't onnslaught physically one-shot him?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
WHich is just plain ridiculous.I know its what they do but a herald shouldn't be able to do that.

What has happened and what should happen are different.

Didn't onnslaught physically one-shot him?

Onlaught didn't one shot him in a ko fashion... he bfred him with a psychic punch but juggernaut was still awake after all of this (as soon as he hit the ground, he jumped up and fought bishop). By the way, you can't use that as evidence since juggernaut was depowered during that stage. He wasn't even at 50% of his power, cytorrak wa slowly taking his power from him.

Another thing, the writer himself stated that onslaught was more powerful than a celestial and this was before he was at full power (even though I don't believe it) so again, there was a lot of plot involved in that story.

Some people don't consider thor just herald and I am one of those people and thor hammer was made from odin himself and it has no limitations and what it has done on panel isn't something to be ignored. A none holdong back thor took out 4 high heralds without too much trouble so him doing things that heralds can't do is understandable.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Which makes no sense. Besides the godblast feat and the godblast is overrated, juggernaut has no feats to suggest he has higher durability much less the strength to hurt Arishem.

The fact that it doesn't make sense to you doesn't make it not true, all right? The Godblast knocked down a hungry Galactus and cracked Exitar's dome, but it didn't leave a scratch on Juggernaut. Apparently, he really is more durable than Celestials. The Ruby of Cyttorak grants him the immunity to physical attacks.
And this is Trion Juggernaut we're talking about here and he is >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic Juggernaut. He breaks barriers between dimension with his bare hands.

Now, how exactly is Arishem going to vaporize him?

Actually what people see when they see a celestial is the vibranium shell they crafted for themselves on a whim to appear to have some semblence of their former identity before they evolved beyond the need for bodies. How is Trion Juggs gonna smite an intangible force in all likelihood stronger than Cytorrak. It took Odin in the 2000 ft Destroyer armor to take on the 4th Host which is scary because Goblin force got stalemated by a host and imprisoned so what does that say about Odin when Gob force is = Phoenix. and was unable to be stopped by Galactus.

Back on topic the Judge drops the hammer of pwn on Juggernaut and ends it or just outright overcomes the gods backing him and warps him out of reality.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Actually what people see when they see a celestial is the vibranium shell they crafted for themselves on a whim to appear to have some semblence of their former identity before they evolved beyond the need for bodies. How is Trion Juggs gonna smite an intangible force in all likelihood stronger than Cytorrak. It took Odin in the 2000 ft Destroyer armor to take on the 4th Host which is scary because Goblin force got stalemated by a host and imprisoned so what does that say about Odin when Gob force is = Phoenix. and was unable to be stopped by Galactus.

Back on topic the Judge drops the hammer of pwn on Juggernaut and ends it or just outright overcomes the gods backing him and warps him out of reality.

Trion Juggernaut's attacks are magical, I don't think that intangibility will make much of a difference. He was breaking the barriers between dimensions. And please, provide some proof that Arishem is stronger than Cyttorak. Odin in Destroyer Armor was fighting a host of Celestials, rather than Arishem alone. And please, provide some scans of Goblin Force stalemating the 4th host and being unable to be stopped by Galan.
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Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
The fact that it doesn't make sense to you doesn't make it not true, all right? The Godblast knocked down a hungry Galactus and cracked Exitar's dome, but it didn't leave a scratch on Juggernaut. Apparently, he really is more durable than Celestials. The Ruby of Cyttorak grants him the [B]immunity to physical attacks.
And this is Trion Juggernaut we're talking about here and he is >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic Juggernaut. He breaks barriers between dimension with his bare hands.

Now, how exactly is Arishem going to vaporize him? [/B]

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
How do you know that Hulk wasn't even close to a Celestial level of strength? Maybe he was, which is exactly why he stopped Juggernaut.

And also, how do you know that Exitar took a much more powerful Godblast than the one Thor used at Juggernaut?

Do you really need to ask ?

Trion still can't hurt arishem.

arishem doesnt even notice trion

Originally posted by quanchi112
Because we didn't see anywhere near the power from him to believe so. Celestials would simply treat juggs like the insect he is whereas Hulk had to push himself to stop him.

Do you really need to ask ?

We saw that Hulk stopped Juggernaut, while he was in motion. And he couldn't do that before. This is why it is safe to assume that Hulk was very very strong. And Apocalypse himself stated that he is physically more powerful than any Celestial.
Why would Celestials treat Trion Juggernaut like an insect, when Thor's Godblast shattered Exitar's dome, while Trion himself can break through the barriers between dimensions and is invulnerable to physical damage?

Yes, I really need to ask, because all people say that Juggernaut has withstood attacks that hurt Celestials. Who are "supposedly" stronger than Cyttorak, but Cyttorak's avatar is more durable than they are.

Trion still can't hurt arishem.

Why can't he?

arishem doesnt even notice trion

Elaborate, please. Post some feats that would put him above Trion, or even above Cyttorak.

I believe Trion was 30 feet tall

Arishem is 2,000 feet tall

Hence, he's an ant to the Judge

I know you will reference he was punching thru dimensions

Celestials are reality warpers. Arishem has the power to decimate worlds. With a fraction of his power, he sealed off Asgard and two other worlds. He would've destroyed Earth if not for Gaea....the same Gaea who recently empowered Hercules

I just read Trion is strong and rightly so, but below Cosmic beings. Celestials/Galactus/In-Betweener and others are the Cosmic beings

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
Could you explain to me, how exactly? I mean, Classic Juggernaut stalemated Nightmare in his own realm, has beaten D'Spayre, who could control the very fabric of the universe with his magic, Oblivion couldn't hurt him in his own realm, neither could Thor's Godblast...

So, how exactly is Arishem going to kill Trion?
Do you think he can beat Cyttorak too?

Thor was weakened by some kind of sickness when delivering the godblast. He could barely stand 3 panels earlier. And even still the godblast sent him BACKWARDS. The WWH couldn't even STOP Juggs. To my knowledge nothing else ever sent him backwards.

Originally posted by carver9
Juggernaut has been stated as being completely invulnerable on numerous of occasions and he has proven this.

http://www.comicvine.com/juggernaut/29-1445/all-images/108-212411/thorvsjuggernaut01/105-1519739/

http://www.comicvine.com/thorvsjuggernaut02/105-1519741/

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir163-MagicNegation429.jpg

Congratulations, your first two scans are of current depowered Juggernaut which holds no water to carvers post about Classic Juggernaut and the last is the 2nd fight with Thor in which he used magic to take away his invulnerability which is said in that image.

Originally posted by Lord_Dagoth
We saw that Hulk stopped Juggernaut, while he was in motion. And he couldn't do that before. This is why it is safe to assume that Hulk was very very strong. And Apocalypse himself stated that he is physically more powerful than any Celestial.
Why would Celestials treat Trion Juggernaut like an insect, when Thor's Godblast shattered Exitar's dome, while Trion himself can break through the barriers between dimensions and is invulnerable to physical damage?

Yes, I really need to ask, because all people say that Juggernaut has withstood attacks that hurt Celestials. Who are "supposedly" stronger than Cyttorak, but Cyttorak's avatar is more durable than they are.

Why can't he?

Elaborate, please. Post some feats that would put him above Trion, or even above Cyttorak.

The godblast was a lot more powerful than the one that broke his domepiece but Thor couldn't defeat the celestial he did however beat juggs, twice. I mean do you even read these comics ?

He isn't invulnerable to all damage that's something a fanboy would say and we've seen odin affect the multiverse which demolishes punching through dimensions.

Odin is nothing to the Celestials so please get a clue.

Arishem eats his face

Originally posted by Mindset
Arishem eats his face