Freddy Krueger vs. Pinhead

Originally posted by the ninjak
I agree on Pinhead's onworld powers. Very impressive...matter manip with telekinesis. Though the box is not a gateway to Hell, it's a pocket dimension created by two masochistic occultists. It's a pain reality where pain equals control.

Pinhead doesn't kill sinners he just spreads his belief that pain is enlightenment. He kills anyone he comes across.

All of this is covered in Hellraiser 4: Bloodlines.....an excellent film.

Yeah, goodpoint. But I was more getting my point across about Freddy, but you're right about the sinner thing.

Originally posted by Kaibs
You can't consider him a hell lord if he's actually not one. You can say Pinhead is a bigger threat then Freddy, although that's also hugely debatable. if Freddy actually decided to be smart and terrorize a town that knew nothing about him then well he'd most likely destroy everyone. The same can't be said about Pinhead.

In hellraiser three he was a much bigger threat. He threatened the entire planet.

Freddy has terrorized an entire town only to be beaten by dream suppressants. Freddy needed an outside agent in jason to stir things up.

Pinhead outbound would just walk into your town and slaughter everyone. No dream suppressant would keep him out. You also don't need to fear him for him to kill you.

Originally posted by the ninjak
I agree on Pinhead's onworld powers. Very impressive...matter manip with telekinesis. Though the box is not a gateway to Hell, it's a pocket dimension created by two masochistic occultists. It's a pain reality where pain equals control.

Pinhead doesn't kill sinners he just spreads his belief that pain is enlightenment. He kills anyone he comes across.

All of this is covered in Hellraiser 4: Bloodlines.....an excellent film.

Which covers the only way to kill the Cube and the Cenobites within is with a Supernova level matter manipulating explosion.

Pinhead also doesn't kill anyone he comes across. In some movies he's a bit more evil than others but there are rules he must follow. Now in the latter movies I am unfamilar with how he has been portrayed but even in bloodline he didn't kill everyone he came across. In bloodlines he was a bit more villainous than in parts 1 and 2.

Yeah, I'm aware what Pinhead can do, as stated earlier. But in this thread where you set the specific conditions, he still loses. And apparently you said you agree, so I have no idea why you're even arguing for Pinhead in the first place. And if you do still want to debate about something I still say Pinhad would be useless in Freddy's world. Just because he's magic, and has access to things doesn't mean that they'd work in once again, Freddy's world. Where once again, he's God.

The only way you can truly kill the Box Realm and the Cenobites is like this.
With a reality destroying satelite made in the cubes form. blah! Sorry it's in Spanish.
Freddy can't do this.
That is if we are arguing the physical realm which Quan meant in the OP.
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Originally posted by Kaibs
Yeah, I'm aware what Pinhead can do, as stated earlier. But in this thread where you set the specific conditions, he still loses. And apparently you said you agree, so I have no idea why you're even arguing for Pinhead in the first place. And if you do still want to debate about something I still say Pinhad would be useless in Freddy's world. Just because he's magic, and has access to things doesn't mean that they'd work in once again, Freddy's world. Where once again, he's God.

Freddy can be taken out of the dream world, it even happened in freddy vs. jason. Jason wasn't even killed in the dream world. Freddy gains strength through fear and Pinhead won't fear him at all.

You acting like it's a stomp is ridiculous.

@Ninjak there's also another way to defeat pinhead but I will pm it to you if you're curious I won't grant kaib this info since he seems clueless about pinhead altogether.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You can't even answer my question on how he can hurt Pinhead. Pinhead was a force to be reckoned with and on top of his own powers he showed dream powers and manipulation just like freddy.

Freddy can be taken out of the dream world, it even happened in freddy vs. jason. Jason wasn't even killed in the dream world. Freddy gains strength through fear and Pinhead won't fear him at all.

You acting like it's a stomp is ridiculous.

I"m sorry what? Go back into the 1st page, I even stated how he got beat in a couple of movies. You apparently aren't reading anything. And Freddy can't be taken out of the dream world by just anybody. See once again you're failing to realize that THOSE PEOPLE HAD DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF THE SITUATION MAN. Pinhead does not. Jason was givin CPR in the van as well. Why are you like failing to realize all this stuff? You're arguing your points but totally not even acknowledging what actually happened. If Freddy is in his world as you indicated adn both are at full power then he doesn't need Pinhead's fear. /sigh.

Originally posted by quanchi112
@Ninjak there's also another way to defeat pinhead but I will pm it to you if you're curious I won't grant kaib this info since he seems clueless about pinhead altogether.

Originally posted by Kaibs
I"m sorry what? Go back into the 1st page, I even stated how he got beat in a couple of movies. You apparently aren't reading anything. And Freddy can't be taken out of the dream world by just anybody. See once again you're failing to realize that THOSE PEOPLE HAD DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF THE SITUATION MAN. Pinhead does not. Jason was givin CPR in the van as well. Why are you like failing to realize all this stuff? You're arguing your points but totally not even acknowledging what actually happened. If Freddy is in his world as you indicated adn both are at full power then he doesn't need Pinhead's fear. /sigh.

I guess teenagers are superior to pinhead and you just don't grab him and physically wake up which happened in parts 1, 6, and freddy vs, jason off the top of my head. Girls with zits are more capable than pinhead. 😂

Pinhead can dig into your mind as well and comes for sinners to bring them to hell. Why can't he bring freddy to his hell ?

Freddy feeds off fear and in part 1 he couldn't even affect nancy when she didn't fear him and in freddy vs. jason he failed to affect the kid jason killed with a shadow freddy.

He said not strong enough yet I will be soon enough until then I iwll let jason have some fun. Then he moved his claw he awoke an djason killed him.

He fed off the fear jason created and then become more powerful in their dreams.

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Originally posted by the ninjak
I'm curious PM me. He did get defeated by the Psychologist in Hellraiser II: Hellbound simply because ht doctor was a better Cenobite.
But this is a physical plane battle correct?

Freddy needed the children of Springwood to remember his existence.
So he disguised himself as Jason's mother and tricked him into going to Springwood and go on a murder spree.
The families and kids did research and found out that Freddy existed and assumed it was him....creating a fear-link for Freddy, bringing him back.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Freddy needed the children of Springwood to remember his existence.
So he disguised himself as Jason's mother and tricked him into going to Springwood and go on a murder spree.
The families and kids did research and found out that Freddy existed and assumed it was him....creating a fear-link for Freddy, bringing him back.

I saw this movie ten times in the theater.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He can be taken out by kids. Yet a being with powers and dream powers can't do so ? Wow.

I guess teenagers are superior to pinhead and you just don't grab him and physically wake up which happened in parts 1, 6, and freddy vs, jason off the top of my head. Girls with zits are more capable than pinhead. 😂

Pinhead can dig into your mind as well and comes for sinners to bring them to hell. Why can't he bring freddy to his hell ?

Freddy feeds off fear and in part 1 he couldn't even affect nancy when she didn't fear him and in freddy vs. jason he failed to affect the kid jason killed with a shadow freddy.

He said not strong enough yet I will be soon enough until then I iwll let jason have some fun. Then he moved his claw he awoke an djason killed him.

He fed off the fear jason created and then become more powerful in their dreams.

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I love how you keep calling them mere kids. I'm done with your ass. You seem to fail to even acknowledge that they wren't indeed just random ass children. That's funny though. Go rewatch some of the movies then come back and talk to me. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. And I'm well aware that he had to feed off of Jason's fear. that has nothing to do with this thread, inw hich you said both were at full power. Anyways like I said you've givin nothing that even insinuates the latter. The funniest part is you're brining CIS and PIS into this now too? Lolz, if that's the case Pinhead has been beatin by some pretty dumbass broads himself. Ooooops forgot to mention that didn't you 🙁

Pinhead was BFR'd by girls. Tricked but not KO'd.
Still wins though.
Pinhead has only been physically defeated by another Cenobite in the cube reality and by that futuristic satellite in the movie I provided above.

Originally posted by Kaibs
I love how you keep calling them mere kids. I'm done with your ass. You seem to fail to even acknowledge that they wren't indeed just random ass children. That's funny though. Go rewatch some of the movies then come back and talk to me. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about. And I'm well aware that he had to feed off of Jason's fear. that has nothing to do with this thread, inw hich you said both were at full power. Anyways like I said you've givin nothing that even insinuates the latter. The funniest part is you're brining CIS and PIS into this now too? Lolz, if that's the case Pinhead has been beatin by some pretty dumbass broads himself. Ooooops forgot to mention that didn't you 🙁

Freddy's power always has to do with fear. When has it ever not had to do with fear ? This is a simple game of who gets into whose head and probes around first. Both can't be beaten physically here and you need to attack both psychologically.

I understand both characters very well you don't. See ya later.

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If a battleground isn't presented in the OP the fight takes place in a featureless arena...correct?

If Freddy doesn't have people's fear to feed him then he is screwed!
Because Pinhead ain't giving him any.
And this is a Physical Plane fight as well.

Freddy in a physical environment showed clever telekinetic manipulation of his environment, flash steps (as long as no one is watching him!) and near invulnerability to death hence the end scene in Freddy Vs Jason with Jason carrying his head and it winking.

Pinhead has matter manipulation (creating stuff out of thin air) and Telekinesis (the flying CDs into peoples heads). He also caught bullets in his mouth and spat them out......WOW.

Pinhead simply in the same scenario with Jason summons hook chains from the air and stretches Freddy's arms and legs out. Then removes his head.
That's a forum win.

Originally posted by the ninjak
If a battleground isn't presented in the OP the fight takes place in a featureless arena...correct?

If Freddy doesn't have people's fear to feed him then he is screwed!
Because Pinhead ain't giving him any.
And this is a Physical Plane fight as well.

This is in the dream world. Freddy would have absolutely no chance against this pinhead in the real world.

Freddy doesn't need fear for his powers to work, people. He was only jerking Nancy's chain.