Miracles. Are they provable?

Originally posted by King Kandy
But why would you include it in your list of options when it's an option that never could be logically chosen?

For science to be chosen as the explanation, we only need to develop an explanation.

For god to be chosen as the explanation, we need to be unable to develop a scientific explanation. But since you can't prove that an explanation won't be found in the future, you can't logically ever meet that criteria.

I myself have had one experience in particular where my brother survived a head injury at school that broke his skull. When I went to him his eyes were open and he was bleeding out of his nose. I was elated when a pulse was found and I knew he hadn't died. I had to credit God with this and still do despite the fact that it may be explained as luck or coincidence that he wasn't killed or brain damaged. A miracle such as this however is up for debate and/or immediate dismissal by others and I can appreciate why.

I was just curious as to whether other people have had experiences that they were convinced were miraculous and whether or not their documented experience was not debatable or subject to immediate dismissal. As of yet I have to assume that there are none in the KMC forum who have.

they definately should be, if they exist.

Originally posted by The MISTER

A miracle is something that defies logic and explanation.

Sounds like what some people describe 'magic' to be.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Sounds like what some people describe 'magic' to be.

That was an incorrect definition.

A miracle (noun) is a suspension, interruption or contradiction of the natural order.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
That was an incorrect definition.

A miracle (noun) is a suspension, interruption or contradiction of the natural order.

That was my point. Thank you, sir.

Then again, in his defense, miracles generally do defy logic and explanation. (That's why they're called miracles).

This dude's story is miraculous. Alcides Moreno

real things are provable. are miracles real?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
real things are provable. are miracles real?

Originally posted by The MISTER
Ice that wouldn't melt when placed in fire would be miraculous for example.

There is a difference between an empirical phenomenon witnessed (with no overt cause), and what we assume to be the cause.

Which, for me, begs this question: If a being claiming to be 'God' appeared, a being who could demonstrate "powers" (eg, levitation, transmutation, teleportation, etc), what could I ask it to do that would be, well, godlike, so that I knew this really was God and not some ET with advanced matter/energy manipulation abilities (Squire of Gothos, anyone)? There's a scene in "Oh God," where 'Jerry' (John Denver) asks 'God' (George Burns) to do just that, do something godlike to prove he wasn't just some clever prankster. And what does God do: he makes it rain, and only inside Jerry's car. That did it for Jerry.

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Depends what miracles you're talking about. Old Testiment stuff, nah. Anything new that happens, yeah. It would be incredibly hard, most people are so stubborn and would flat out refuse to accept eye-witness testimony, video proof etc. But its possible.

Personally I'd look for a scientific explanation, but untill I find one I'd probably accept it as some miracle-esque happening, even though I don't believe in supernatural or religious forces.