LoM here's the Phoenix Force Optic Blast scans :
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=11998449&postcount=11
@Mindset
Thanos doesn't have the feats to place him in the Skyfather Tier. Dude these guys BUST GALAXIES like they were going out of style.
Originally posted by zopzopThe strongest do, I'll ask you the same question.
LoM here's the Phoenix Force Optic Blast scans :
http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=11998449&postcount=11@Mindset
Thanos doesn't have the feats to place him in the Skyfather Tier. Dude these guys BUST GALAXIES like they were going out of style.
Are skyfathers unique in the fact that they have no range of power in that class, unlike heralds, etc?
No trans level being is contending with Odin or Tyrant.
Thanos had a great showing against Odin.
He was literally spotless from all of Odin's blasts before Gungnir was brought out. And after getting up from running into a point blank blast from Odin, Thanos was able to hurt Odin somewhat with a blast of his own. And then they were exchanging blasts and countering each other to no advantage until Odin decided he needed Gungnir.
Seriously screw all all you overzealous skewed perspective having Odin backers. Odin did not show himself to be anything more than a certain percentage above Thanos in that fight. Certainly no big multiplier stronger. If Odin is high skyfather, Thanos was mid(ish) skyfather in that fight. But he's gotten stronger since then clearly.
Originally posted by CosmicCometPretty much.
Thanos had a great showing against Odin.He was literally spotless from all of Odin's blasts before Gungnir was brought out. And after getting up from running into a point blank blast from Odin, Thanos was able to hurt Odin somewhat with a blast of his own. And then they were exchanging blasts and countering each other to no advantage until Odin decided he needed Gungnir.
Seriously screw all all you overzealous skewed perspective having Odin backers. Odin did not show himself to be anything more than a certain percentage above Thanos in that fight. Certainly no big multiplier stronger. If Odin is high skyfather, Thanos was mid(ish) skyfather in that fight. But he's gotten stronger since then clearly.
At the least low skyfather.
@Mindset
You are correct; comparing Thanos feats to Odin/Surter/Seth feats is raising the bar too high...
Nevertheless, showings of durability alone dont prove Thanos is a Skyfather; although Classic Juggs is powered by a Elder God, Classic Juggs himself isnt a Skyfather...
Thanos has great damage soak...thats a fact. Now where are the extreme displays of power than couldnt/havent been accomplished by anyone else in the Trans Tier? What feats of power does Thanos have under his belt to suggest he is a Skyfather?
Originally posted by zopzopContending with people who can destroy galaxies.
CosmicComet, MindsetHow? How can you place him in the galaxy busting Skyfather Tier? Has he even destroyed a planet under his own power before? What are his best on panel feats that can compare to the annihilation of a galaxy?
Originally posted by zopzopNo, because Odin wasn't fighting a skyfather on his level, but a skyfather on a lower level.
@MindsetDo you really believe Odin was going all out in that fight? And by all out I mean like when he fights beings like Surtur, Forsung, etc..?
You know growing to 2000ft in size, drawing power from the land of Asgard, etc...?
Just like SS wouldn't go "all out" against Terrax, who is also a herald, but would against Thor, a herald on his level.
Originally posted by Nihilist
So Odin going all out is having to use external forces and items and not using his own natural power reserve
The Odinforce is located in three different area's; a portion is located directly inslde of Odin, a portion is infused within Asgard itself, and a portion is inside all of the Asgardians...
Whenever Odin "amps" off of the land or its people, he is simply taking back the portion of the Odinforce given to it/them...so he actually isnt amping off of an external power source when he does this; he is simply taking back what is already his.
Now when he using his gear, thats external...definitely.
Originally posted by Nihilist
So you are saying under his own natural power reserves he was going full at it against Thanos, that's all I needed to know.
Using what was inside his body? Which is only a portion of the full Odinforce? Sure...definitely.
Thats all Odin was accessing; he definitely could have accessed far more and annihilated Thanos if he wanted to kill him...
Although I'd argue that Odin wasnt even fully accessing what was inside of him as he didnt assume Giant Size (not to be confused with him going into 2000ft Destroyer Mode) as he typically does against Surter...