Wolverine vs DC earth (slightly different stips)

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wolverine having surfer's powers and skills doesn't automatically make him better than Surfer. There's no logic to that at all, imo.

Surfer still has experience and his own mentality, which includes being versatile as hell.

it's like giving Batman Superman's powers and expecting him to do a better job. He wouldn't, because skill isn't enough, tbh.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i agree with everything u said except this

well, that's because he's batman. i should have used a better example. mmm

Originally posted by -Pr-
well, that's because he's batman. i should have used a better example. mmm

Originally posted by Parmaniac
How about Wolverine? 🙂

there is a HUGE difference between Bruce and Logan

Originally posted by Sin I AM
you confusing fighting skill with tactics, Cap is a better tactician than Wolverine but he should lose every time due to HF and adaman claws, HOWEVER put him in a leadership role like his avengers against logans x-men and hed trump everytime......

Except the point I'm trying to get across is he used tactics to beat Cap. Tactics are involved in fighting. Cap used a move to disable Wolverines claws. Wolverine used a special type of pressure point so that the more Cap thought the worse he would get. Tactics.

Originally posted by Sin I AM

that being said it takes imo finesse and control to use the power cosmic effectively....logan does not have that

Whats that based on? You are probably basing that on the fact that he usually acts like a brick and run into bullets hes shown the ability to be to adapt and use his head when he needs to. Look at the fight that Wolverine has with Omega Red and Lady Deathstrike. Hes also been involved Mafia politics as well.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wolverine having surfer's powers and skills doesn't automatically make him better than Surfer. There's no logic to that at all, imo.

The fact that Wolverine is willing to use more lethal force isn't logical?

Originally posted by -Pr-

Surfer still has experience and his own mentality, which includes being versatile as hell.

it's like giving Batman Superman's powers and expecting him to do a better job. He wouldn't, because skill isn't enough, tbh.

Experience doesn't change anything because I stated at the beginning anything that Surfer can do Wolverine can. Silver Surfers powers are more versatile than Wolverines. What proof is there that his mentality is more versatile?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
How about Wolverine? 🙂

Ha. No.

Originally posted by Deadline
The fact that Wolverine is willing to use more lethal force isn't logical?

that isn't what i said. at all.

Experience doesn't change anything because I stated at the beginning anything that Surfer can do Wolverine can. Silver Surfers powers are more versatile than Wolverines. What proof is there that his mentality is more versatile?

Experience changes plenty. Telling him "you can do x" isn't the same as having done it fifty times.

Because he has to work out ways NOT to kill people even when using his powers to effect. Superman is exactly the same. They have to come up with ways to take people down that don't involved frying them/punching their head clean off.

He can't have his own and Logan's personalities. He has to have one or the other, unless you want to cherry pick.

Originally posted by -Pr-

that isn't what i said. at all.

No you didn't. You didn't specify what you mean't did you, it was ambigous. Since that was the main reason why I think he would be better.

Originally posted by -Pr-

Experience changes plenty. Telling him "you can do x" isn't the same as having done it fifty times.

Because he has to work out ways NOT to kill people even when using his powers to effect. Superman is exactly the same. They have to come up with ways to take people down that don't involved frying them/punching their head clean off.

He can't have his own and Logan's personalities. He has to have one or the other, unless you want to cherry pick.

When I said that Wolverine can do anything that Surfer can do I mean't he can do any trick that he can do with the same amount of ease, so yes experience is irrelevant and I guess persoanlity is as well.

Wolverine isn't smart enough to think of using them for anything above blasting.

Originally posted by Deadline
Except the point I'm trying to get across is he used tactics to beat Cap. Tactics are involved in fighting. Cap used a move to disable Wolverines claws. Wolverine used a special type of pressure point so that the more Cap thought the worse he would get. Tactics.

Whats that based on? You are probably basing that on the fact that he usually acts like a brick and run into bullets hes shown the ability to be to adapt and use his head when he needs to. Look at the fight that Wolverine has with Omega Red and Lady Deathstrike. Hes also been involved Mafia politics as well.

Meh I see it as fighting prowess, but lets just agree to disagree....

on average he fights like an unrestrained brick, RARELY does he not go rushing in and getting his ass handed to him before he heals then deals with the opponent more effectively. He'd be dead LONG ago if not for HF. I mean look at the ownage that his team was dealt attacking Apoc, tactically he sucks.

Originally posted by Deadline
No you didn't. You didn't specify what you mean't did you, it was ambigous. Since that was the main reason why I think he would be better.

When I said that Wolverine can do anything that Surfer can do I mean't he can do any trick that he can do with the same amount of ease, so yes experience is irrelevant and I guess persoanlity is as well.

i was clear enough. Your assumption that he'd be naturally better than Wolverine has no basis other than some vague "he doesn't hold back" comment.

so it's basically surfer with no CIS vs dc earth then? either way he's getting stomped imo.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh I see it as fighting prowess, but lets just agree to disagree....

Fighting prowress was obvoulsy used but tactics were used as well. The use of the pressure point was obvoulsy for tactical purposes.

Originally posted by Sin I AM

on average he fights like an unrestrained brick, RARELY does he not go rushing in and getting his ass handed to him before he heals then deals with the opponent more effectively. He'd be dead LONG ago if not for HF. I mean look at the ownage that his team was dealt attacking Apoc, tactically he sucks.

Nah you don't say. When you can take shots from the Hulk you don't need to think on average. Which is why I specified when he needs to.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i was clear enough. Your assumption that he'd be naturally better than Wolverine has no basis other than some vague "he doesn't hold back" comment.

Theres nothing in your post that automatically excludes Wolverine mentality. Anyway I think its moot now.

Originally posted by -Pr-

so it's basically surfer with no CIS vs dc earth then? either way he's getting stomped imo.

You know there are other people in the team as well.

Pr is correct. This thread is bad. Closed.