Superman & Mr. Majestic Vs Thor & Beta Ray Bill

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MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by Silent Master
Since when is Tao a reality warper, last I checked he just used his superhuman intelligence to manipulate people.

Though, it has been a few years since I've read any stories with him.


go read wildcats v5, max faraday can't even handle tao

Prep-Man Senior Member

when he gained the powers of void and the other chick.

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by MrMind
go read wildcats v5, max faraday can't even handle tao

So it's a somewhat recent development. That explains it, thanks.

Someone should just call Grunge, just seeing him again would probably make Tao start crying. 🙂

Prep-Man Senior Member

what did grunge do?

MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by Prep-Man
when he gained the powers of void and the other chick.

Providence

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member
Originally posted by MrMind
because majestic is ruthless. and since you said you read him I assume you know he does kill. lol even reality warper like tao can't prevent himself get cut, what is thor going to do?

The Majestros I read was willing to kill if the circumstances called for it but that about it. He was still a hero. He didn't go slicing off heads or anything of the sort. Unless his changed. Like I said, I stopped reading Wildstorm when they ruined it.

Unfortunately I haven't read the latest arc so I don't know how durable Tao was in his current incarnation or whether or not Majestic took him off guard. Simply being a reality warper means very little in regards to defensive capabilities depending on those two factors.

MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Majestros I read was willing to kill if the circumstances called for it but that about it. He was still a hero. He didn't go slicing off heads or anything of the sort. Unless his changed. Like I said, I stopped reading Wildstorm when they ruined it.

Unfortunately I haven't read the latest arc so I don't know how durable Tao was in his current incarnation or whether or not Majestic took him off guard. Simply being a reality warper means very little in regards to defensive capabilities depending on those two factors.


none of the wildcats, team 7 could even harm tao. he's powerful enough to beat void spartan and max faraday at the same time. so yeah he has high defensive capabilities, but even a ubber being like tao can be harmed by creation blades. like I said I have never seen the creation baldes failed, it can easily cut through molecule. so it doesn't matter how durable thor is. the creation blade can cut through any matter. and yes majestic has become more ruthless, he killed his opponents, so he will kill thor or beta ray bill.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member
Originally posted by MrMind
none of the wildcats, team 7 could even harm tao. he's powerful enough to beat void spartan and max faraday at the same time. so yeah he has high defensive capabilities, but even a ubber being like tao can be harmed by creation blades. like I said I have never seen the creation baldes failed, it can easily cut through molecule. so it doesn't matter how durable thor is. the creation blade can cut through any matter. and yes majestic has become more ruthless, he killed his opponents, so he will kill thor or beta ray bill.

Was he actively defending himself in those instances? My main point is that base stats really matter against a reality warper.

Oh, I think the creation blades can cut through Thor or Bill. I was never argued against that stance. They've cut through Majestic himself easily. I just think they have more capabilities to counter bladed attacks.

Majestic has killed before. The isn't the main point in contention. Was there any background in that fight, like a previous enemy?

Prep-Man Senior Member

yeah he was willing to kill his teamates but wasnt that because he was going crazy? anyway hed kill thor. he doesnt know the fool.

MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Was he actively defending himself in those instances? My main point is that base stats really matter against a reality warper.

Oh, I think the creation blades can cut through Thor or Bill. I was never argued against that stance. They've cut through Majestic himself easily. I just think they have more capabilities to counter bladed attacks.

Majestic has killed before. The isn't the main point in contention. Was there any background in that fight, like a previous enemy?


Tao wasn't defending himself. because majestic was so fast he doesn't have time. majestic fly all the way from hawaii in less than seconds to attack Tao.
and how are thor and bill going to counter the blades? majestic is certainly stronger and faster than the team in combat. I don't think thor or bill is even stronger than superman, they have trouble lifting asgard, and superman moved part of the planet. and majestic is stronger than superman because he moved planet himself without any problem(superman has to struggle for it). and majestic move at trans-light plus the nanoseconds scan I provide, It's pretty sure majestic is faster than the team, especially in reaction/combat speed. I know the hammer bros have powerful energy blast but the point is they won't have any time. majestic is going to kill them before they could do anything. because it's pretty certain that they won't dodge his attack.
and majestic was fighting sebastian, he got stabbed through the neck by sebastian in the next panel.

Silent Master Senior Member
Originally posted by Prep-Man
what did grunge do?

Basically the same thing Tao did to Fuji. Only he did it by being stupid.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member
Originally posted by MrMind
Tao wasn't defending himself. because majestic was so fast he doesn't have time. majestic fly all the way from hawaii in less than seconds to attack Tao.

Thanks for that bit of info. You see, reality warping powers don't automatically give one invulnerability. From Hawaii? That's nothing for all 4 individuals in this thread.

Originally posted by MrMind
and how are thor and bill going to counter the blades?

Any number of ways from blocking the blades with their hammers, to creating force fields. Heck, since we're playing the what if cards so much, Thor could simply use battle field removal.

Originally posted by MrMind
majestic is certainly stronger and faster than the team in combat.

The only advantage Majestic possibly has is faster combat movement. Which is nothing they can't handle.

Originally posted by MrMind
I don't think thor or bill is even stronger than superman,

I don't think so either. Of course, neither is Majestic.

Originally posted by MrMind
they have trouble lifting asgard,

Asgard dropped. They lifted it. No trouble. It's like me pointing out the time Majestic stopped a piece of a Skyscraper from falling and claiming he was having trouble.

Originally posted by MrMind
and superman moved part of the planet.

Superman's moved more than part of the planet.

Originally posted by MrMind
and majestic is stronger than superman because he moved planet himself without any problem(superman has to struggle for it).

Superman moving the Earth with Green Lantern while it was being pulled to the Sun is a greater feat than Majestic moving the Earth.

Majestic isn't stronger than Thor or Superman. Possibly Bill but it's debatable. I'm most familiar with the Odinson, so if you care to start an argument about who's stronger than who, let's start with Thor vs. Majestic. I'm confident. 🙂

Originally posted by MrMind
and majestic move at trans-light plus the nanoseconds scan I provide,

Everyone on this field can move at trans-light speeds. What about the scan? Moving at nanosecond speed isn't anything Bill or Thor can't handle. Even in that fight against Surfer recently, Bill was trading blows while they were moving at faster than light speeds.

Originally posted by MrMind
It's pretty sure majestic is faster than the team, especially in reaction/combat speed.

That implies his faster than them in flight speed etc. which I doubt. He could be faster in movement speed but not to the point Team 2 can't counter.

Originally posted by MrMind
I know the hammer bros have powerful energy blast but the point is they won't have any time. majestic is going to kill them before they could do anything. because it's pretty certain that they won't dodge his attack.

Yea, shit like this isn't worth the time.

Originally posted by MrMind
and majestic was fighting sebastian, he got stabbed through the neck by sebastian in the next panel.

Okay.

The Nuul Senior Member
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
How did this turn into a CA thread..?

Because Warlord is trying to lowball Majestic.

MrMind Senior Member

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanks for that bit of info. You see, reality warping powers don't automatically give one invulnerability. From Hawaii? That's nothing for all 4 individuals in this thread.

But tao was actually taking hits from wildcats, max faraday and spartan. He’s pretty damn invulnerable. The only way for Tao to not recover was for majestic put two blades inside him to disrupt his energy. You see, at tao’s power level, he could easily defeat majestic and anybody in wildstorm earth. The “only thing” that could hurt him was the creation blades.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Any number of ways from blocking the blades with their hammers, to creating force fields. Heck, since we're playing the what if cards so much, Thor could simply use battle field removal.

There’s no prove that Mjolnir can’t be cut through by creation blades, even it’s protected by odin’s enchantments. Mjolnir isn’t indestructible, it has been broken before. And majestic is so much better fighter than both of them it’s not even funny. Majestic used to be a Kherubim warlord that has thousands years of fighting experiece. Thousands years of none stop fighting his fighting skill is as good as nemesis or zealot. So there’s no chance the hammer bros get to block all of his attack. And really, the hammer bros take hits all the time in their fights. Especially thor, what make you think it will be different this time?
Thor bfr? Don’t be ridiculous. First of all, thor wouldn’t even have time, second of all, majestic escaped spartan bfred him to otherspace. So even thor managed to bfr him, he would immediately come back.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The only advantage Majestic possibly has is faster combat movement. Which is nothing they can't handle.

Majestic is stronger faster, better fighter than the team, they can’t handle him. Simple as that.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think so either. Of course, neither is Majestic.

In strength: majestic>superman>thor or beta ray bill.
Majestic rearranged the solar system in his first issue.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Asgard dropped. They lifted it. No trouble. It's like me pointing out the time Majestic stopped a piece of a Skyscraper from falling and claiming he was having trouble.

That’s the biggest hammer bros countable strength feats. And even you bring up thor throw the midgard serpent which is not a countable strength feat. It’s still not half as impressive as majestic moving planets.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman's moved more than part of the planet.

No, superman had troubles moving earth and moon.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman moving the Earth with Green Lantern while it was being pulled to the Sun is a greater feat than Majestic moving the Earth.

With that green lantern construct? That story was non-canon. It was a retelling of pre-crisis story.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Majestic isn't stronger than Thor or Superman. Possibly Bill but it's debatable. I'm most familiar with the Odinson, so if you care to start an argument about who's stronger than who, let's start with Thor vs. Majestic. I'm confident.

Again, what’s thor strength feats that is comparable to moving planets?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Everyone on this field can move at trans-light speeds. What about the scan? Moving at nanosecond speed isn't anything Bill or Thor can't handle. Even in that fight against Surfer recently, Bill was trading blows while they were moving at faster than light speeds.

Thor can move 3 times ftl with mjolnir, majestic moved 6 times ftl.

And majestic has far greater reaction/combat speed than both of them. Surfer even got hit by the hulk and thanos, surfer got horrible combat speed compare to majestic.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That implies his faster than them in flight speed etc. which I doubt. He could be faster in movement speed but not to the point Team 2 can't counter.

Team 2 are going to get hit. And creation blades can kill them when they get cut. How hard is this for you to understand?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea, shit like this isn't worth the time.

no shit, the team won’t get any chance.

"Id" The Man of Tomorrow

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So since you're arguing that Majestic:
1) Is going to fight at speeds I've never seen him operate at.
2) Outright kill with no apparent hesistation (His still a hero right?)

Are we assuming that in character scenarios aren't part of the equation?

Wildstorm is more gruesome, and bloodier then Mainstream DC or Marvel. That’s a given. It’s in his character to be more brutal, than say Superman because he is written to be so.

Half the time he is the ideal Hero, the other half he is not. His instability threatens even the likes such as his one true love Nemesis. Who wouldn’t hesitate to kill her, if she intended to kill him.

Rage.Of.Olympus Senior Member

I'm well aware on how Wildstorm differs from DC and Marvel. But his arguing that Majestic from the bell is going to fly at Bill and Thor at trans light speeds, and chop their heads off while they play dumb.

Ignoring his overselling of Majestic and underselling of everybody else, I've never known Majestic for being that gruesome. Like I said previously, he'd have to have become more brutal than I've ever seen him for that shit to fly.

Originally posted by MrMind
But tao was actually taking hits from wildcats, max faraday and spartan. He’s pretty damn invulnerable. The only way for Tao to not recover was for majestic put two blades inside him to disrupt his energy. You see, at tao’s power level, he could easily defeat majestic and anybody in wildstorm earth. The “only thing” that could hurt him was the creation blades.

We’re not understanding ourselves to well here. You said Majestic took him off guard no? So what’s Tao’s base durability? Based on your silence I’m assuming he was actively defending attacks from his foes. Like I told you previously, simply being a reality manipulator doesn’t make you invulnerable unless you choose to be. Some have to actively think about it.

Originally posted by MrMind
There’s no prove that Mjolnir can’t be cut through by creation blades, even it’s protected by odin’s enchantments. Mjolnir isn’t indestructible, it has been broken before.

I believe Mjolnir can block the creation blades. Just recently, Hela with the Twilight Sword failed to leave a scratch on Mjolnir, and the Twilight Sword is like a Cosmic Cube. It lets you warp reality or even realities to suit your whims.

Originally posted by MrMind
And majestic is so much better fighter than both of them it’s not even funny.

Majestic used to be a Kherubim warlord that has thousands years of fighting experiece. Thousands years of none stop fighting his fighting skill is as good as nemesis or zealot.

Lol. As opposed to Thor whose been fighting for thousands –even millions- of years? Not a great argument here.

Originally posted by MrMind
So there’s no chance the hammer bros get to block all of his attack. And really, the hammer bros take hits all the time in their fights.

Sure they do. But they’ve shown more than once that if needed, they can block attacks. Bill even does more than Thor recently.

Majestic won’t be the first blade wielding opponent Thor has faced. He won’t be the last. Thor actively blocks attacks from bladed weapons when he faces powerful foes.

Originally posted by MrMind
Especially thor, what make you think it will be different this time?

Like I said above, Thor’s faced more than once bladed opponent. He blocks those attacks more often than not.

Originally posted by MrMind
Thor bfr? Don’t be ridiculous. First of all, thor wouldn’t even have time, second of all, majestic escaped spartan bfred him to otherspace. So even thor managed to bfr him, he would immediately come back.

It’s no more ridiculous than the shit you’ve been spewing. Thor will have all the time he’d need. Battle field removal can be accomplished by unleashing an omni-directional wave of energy like he did when he and the Ghost Rider were dog piled.

How did he escape from other space? Because as I recall, Majestic had built a portal that he used to enter and leave other space.

Originally posted by MrMind
Majestic is stronger faster, better fighter than the team, they can’t handle him. Simple as that.

Haha.

Originally posted by MrMind
In strength: majestic>superman>thor or beta ray bill.
Majestic rearranged the solar system in his first issue.

Haha.

So what?

Originally posted by MrMind
That’s the biggest hammer bros countable strength feats. And even you bring up thor throw the midgard serpent which is not a countable strength feat. It’s still not half as impressive as majestic moving planets.

The World Engine feat blows moving planets out of the water.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine4.jpg

The implication here is that you consider Majestic moving planets as more quantifiable than the Midgard Serpent feat?

Originally posted by MrMind
No, superman had troubles moving earth and moon.

So? We’ve also seen Superman exert a lot more force later on.

Originally posted by MrMind
With that green lantern construct? That story was non-canon. It was a retelling of pre-crisis story.

How is it non cannon? If it was retold in the post crisis continuity, it’s cannon.

Originally posted by MrMind
Again, what’s thor strength feats that is comparable to moving planets?

Look above.

Originally posted by MrMind
Thor can move 3 times ftl with mjolnir, majestic moved 6 times ftl.

Thor’s caught up to a ship moving multiple times the speed of light. Thor’s greatest speed feat however would have to be flying from Asgard to Earth using the long way around. Asgard was described as being further than the farthest Galaxy, being beyond time and space etc. He had Mjolnir at the side to boot.

Originally posted by MrMind
And majestic has far greater reaction/combat speed than both of them. Surfer even got hit by the hulk and thanos, surfer got horrible combat speed compare to majestic.

So what if he has? Surfer also has various impressive speed feats including nanosecond speed like what you posted for Majestic. Surfer and Team 2 might have less movement speed, but there reaction time is more than sufficient to deal with Majestic. Disagreed.

Originally posted by MrMind
Team 2 are going to get hit. And creation blades can kill them when they get cut. How hard is this for you to understand?

So you say. How hard is it for you to understand that Team 2 will counter?

Originally posted by MrMind
no shit, the team won’t get any chance.

Lol. You’re entire scenarios seem to be built around Thor and Bill standing still like a bunch of morons.

StyleTime Senior Member

Originally posted by "Id"
His instability threatens even the likes such as his one true love Nemesis. Who wouldn’t hesitate to kill her, if she intended to kill him.

I disagree about that part. Even when she tried to kill him with her Creation blades, Majestic was still more concerned about her safety.

Charis has always been a weak spot for Majestic.

Also, curse you MrMind for stretching the page. uhuh

MrMind Senior Member

I'm well aware on how Wildstorm differs from DC and Marvel. But his arguing that Majestic from the bell is going to fly at Bill and Thor at trans light speeds, and chop their heads off while they play dumb.

Again majestic has done that before in his previous fight. And majestic nowadays is ruthless and insane. So he will show no mercy to them

Ignoring his overselling of Majestic and underselling of everybody else, I've never known Majestic for being that gruesome. Like I said previously, he'd have to have become more brutal than I've ever seen him for that shit to fly.

I’m not underselling anybody. I listed thor and bill strength feats, they’re simply not on majestic level. And how am I overselling majestic when it’s all the facts. If you don’t want to believe and keep ignoring the truth, fine by me. And yes majestic has become more brutal. He has gone insane.

We’re not understanding ourselves to well here. You said Majestic took him off guard no? So what’s Tao’s base durability? Based on your silence I’m assuming he was actively defending attacks from his foes. Like I told you previously, simply being a reality manipulator doesn’t make you invulnerable unless you choose to be. Some have to actively think about it.

Alright, let me try this again. Tao is a reality warper who has high durability. Normal sword won’t cut him only creation blades could, that’s why he laughed off every attacks he received from all the heroes. That’s why majestic said “they can cut through any thing, even what you’ve become.”

I believe Mjolnir can block the creation blades. Just recently, Hela with the Twilight Sword failed to leave a scratch on Mjolnir, and the Twilight Sword is like a Cosmic Cube. It lets you warp reality or even realities to suit your whims.

Unlike Mjolnir, creation blades are forged by energies of creation. And even if Mjolnir blocked the swords. Thor is not fast enough to block all of majestic’s attacks. Once the blade stab through him, it will disrupt all his energies (like it did to Tao). Thor won’t be able to do anything.

Lol. As opposed to Thor whose been fighting for thousands –even millions- of years? Not a great argument here.

Are you seriously comparing thor’s fighting skill to majestic? Just because thor lived long enough doesn’t mean he’s a great fighter. I don’t know if he’s too dumb or too lazy to learn. All I see thor does is slamming his hammer. Generally thor’s fight goes with thor confidently took hits from his opponents then tell them to yield. The opponents don’t listen, thor’s pissed and beat them. There’s no fighting skills involved. Majestic on the other hand is as skill as nemesis and zealot. If you are not familiar with these two, that means in marvel term, majestic is at least as skill as gamora or iron fist.

Sure they do. But they’ve shown more than once that if needed, they can block attacks. Bill even does more than Thor recently.
Majestic won’t be the first blade wielding opponent Thor has faced. He won’t be the last. Thor actively blocks attacks from bladed weapons when he faces powerful foes.

Powerful foes like who? Bladed weapons don’t mean shit compare to creation blades. It’s not even the question that they can block attacks. It’s that can they block all his attacks? Because I’m pretty one slice of the sword would be pretty fatal and probably be the end of their lives.

Like I said above, Thor’s faced more than once bladed opponent. He blocks those attacks more often than not.

More often than not is not good enough. He needs to block all of majestic attack to survive. And that’s impossible consider majestic is a faster combatant with better skill.

It’s no more ridiculous than the shit you’ve been spewing. Thor will have all the time he’d need. Battle field removal can be accomplished by unleashing an omni-directional wave of energy like he did when he and the Ghost Rider were dog piled.
How did he escape from other space? Because as I recall, Majestic had built a portal that he used to enter and leave other space.

This is the bfr I was talking about, if majestic can survive this. Thor won’t do any harm to him.

Haha
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Truth is truth

Haha.

So what?


So what? Majestic done this kind of shit all the time. Just recently he put back earth axis.

The World Engine feat blows moving planets out of the water.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine4.jpg

The implication here is that you consider Majestic moving planets as more quantifiable than the Midgard Serpent feat?


Like I said before these feats you listed are all not countable, how do we know how much strength thor used in moving the world engine? And that feat is no where as impressive as pushing planets. And really you think lifting that snake is more impressive than moving planets in the solar system? Do I need to list all the planets in the solar system?
Thor and bill even looked struggle at lifting asgard, thinking they are stronger than majestic is just flat out absurd

So? We’ve also seen Superman exert a lot more force later on.

What are you talking about?

How is it non cannon? If it was retold in the post crisis continuity, it’s cannon.

Because the story itself is pre-crisis, that means it’s pre-crisis superman, hence stronger than the current version, ergo current version cannot push the entire planet.

Look above.

You are really overhyping thor. Thor does not have consistent strength feats on planetary level. Majestic however does.

Thor’s caught up to a ship moving multiple times the speed of light. Thor’s greatest speed feat however would have to be flying from Asgard to Earth using the long way around. Asgard was described as being further than the farthest Galaxy, being beyond time and space etc. He had Mjolnir at the side to boot.

This is non-sense. Thor said to have speed 3 times ftl, that’s a fact. Majestic move 6 times ftl in terms of travel in the scan I showed. And we are mainly talking about combat speed here. Something thor lacks. And you want majestic speed feats? Here is Majestic on Earth on one panel and in the very next one he flies to beyond the end of our galaxy.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/39314/1561750-majestic_ftl1_super.png
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/39314/1561751-majestic_ftl2_super.png

So what if he has? Surfer also has various impressive speed feats including nanosecond speed like what you posted for Majestic. Surfer and Team 2 might have less movement speed, but there reaction time is more than sufficient to deal with Majestic. Disagreed.

Again, surfer has never shown impressive combat speed when he’s fighting his opponents. And we are not talking about surfer here. List some thor and bill combat speed that could be comparable to what I posted for majestic. Then we’ll talk.

So you say. How hard is it for you to understand that Team 2 will counter?

Can they block all of majestic attack? Because that’s the only way for them to have a chance. Majestic was based on pre-crisis superman, someone far more powerful than the team.

Lol. You’re entire scenarios seem to be built around Thor and Bill standing still like a bunch of morons.

No, it’s your boys who flight like morons, both just slamming their hammers with no defensive skill to counter anything majestic can dish out.

Black bolt z Mindsets Master

Hammer bros still win.

MrMind Senior Member

reasons?