Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I'd say it is a pretty safe bet that a super soldier, is super human, especially when he can run 60mph, has the strength of 20 men and lives in bullet time. 😎
Not really that could be peak human, especially when you live in a world were humans can train themselves to have powers.
Originally posted by Deadline
Not really that could be peak human, especially when you live in a world were humans can train themselves to have powers.
Quasimystical abilities and chi amping are superhuman abilities as well. Running 60 mph is blatantly superhuman, hell running 30mph would be pushing superhuman as well. The human body couldn't take that much strain, the force generate from running 60 mph would have host of disastrous effects on your bones, joints and muscle fibers. You would need superhuman durability for speeds of 60mph to even be theoretically possible.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Quasimystical abilities and chi amping are superhuman abilities as well. Running 60 mph is blatantly superhuman, hell running 30mph would be pushing superhuman as well. The human body couldn't take that much strain, the force generate from running 60 mph would have host of disastrous effects on your bones, joints and muscle fibers. You would need superhuman durability for speeds of 60mph to even be theoretically possible.
It's not superhuman if humans can do it.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If a character needs to channel mystical energies (ala Iron Fist, Elektra and Shang-Chi) accomplish something that they could not normally accomplish, it is superhuman.
What has normal got to do with it, the fact they can do it means its not superhuman. Most people can't bench press 1000lbs it's not superhuman because its been done.
If you go by the def superhuman = very few people can do it, fine then.
Originally posted by Deadline
What has normal got to do with it, the fact they can do it means its not superhuman. Most people can't bench press 1000lbs it's not superhuman because its been done.If you go by the def superhuman = very few people can do it, fine then.
If you need out side assistance (ie drugs, or chi) to accomplish something that would be impossible otherwise then it is superhuman. If they are using chi then they are essentially using magic, and pretending feats accomplished by use of magic aren't superhuman is like saying that Ironman's feats of strength are applicable to humans.
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
you misunderstand. based on marvels definition of what constitutes a peak human in the MU, he fits the bill
So does Daredevil, and it's marvels intention for there to be a clear and distinct gap between what Daredevil and Punisher are capable of..and what Steve Rogers is capable of, hence why we look at feats.
Originally posted by Mister Supreme
To be honest.
The most objective answer is that we can't know who would win until writers write their fair fight to the end.
There is no other option than this-everything else is the subject to fanboyism.
So it's 5/10 for each.
(there isn't a Picard Facepalm big enough...)
Okay...
Whatever...
Your "response", while perfectly debatable and a valid response, once again has *nothing* to do with what I asked/pointed out...
LOL...
Okay...
Gonna walk away now...
*whew*
Must be one of those weeks...
Originally posted by tideoftime
(there isn't a Picard Facepalm big enough...)Okay...
Whatever...
Your "response", while perfectly debatable and a valid response, once again has *nothing* to do with what I asked/pointed out...
LOL...
Okay...
Gonna walk away now...
*whew*
Must be one of those weeks...
Seems like a spambot to me or something.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If you need out side assistance (ie drugs, or chi) to accomplish something that would be impossible otherwise then it is superhuman. If they are using chi then they are essentially using magic, and pretending feats accomplished by use of magic aren't superhuman is like saying that Ironman's feats of strength are applicable to humans.
It's not outside assistance. I think in comics and the real world chi is supposed to be everywhere and everyone has chi.
Also the Iron Man and drugs examples are different. With chi you train yourself to get access to the powers you don't train and get an exoskeleton and a drug, the source of these things isn't training. I mean if gained superhuman strength by doing lots of push ups you wouldn't really call the ground outside assistance because you are doing it via natural means. In comics you can gain chi and mystical abilities just by meditation which is natural and not artifical like drugs and an exoskeleton. Technically using your logic a dumbell is an outside source.
Even if it was an outside source it's not relevant whats important is wether humans can do it naturally.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Common error, just because DD uses his agility more in his style of fighting, doesn't mean he's more agile than Cap. Cap is just as or more agile.Cap wins 10/10, each fight being quite tough.
to the op
a 4 post opening is not warranted, both these characters have a respect thread, and no one will read 4 full posts of fluff, especially when you're dealing with 2 of the most popular martial artists in marvel earth.
This... or something similar to this...
I don't see Cap losing more than 3 tops.
Hmmm.... Cap baseline can generally run faster than possible for the average human, take a couple dozen bullets to the chest and still beat someone to death lift a car and take straight shots from tanks via his shield which should still send him flying in a broken bloody and mangled heap.
DD- Pretty good feats but I don't see him pounding on Hulks face and taking shots.